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CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.
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The birth precedes the believing. One is born again, THEN one believes. Monergistic regeneration enables one to believe the gospel.
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And creatures don't exercise power over the Creator. Free will-ism teaches just the opposite.
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Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God decided to be real fair and got His time telescope to see which humans were nobel enough to say YES to His offer.
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and what if the creator desired a creature that could speak of its own will...do you think God is incapable of this?
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Yes, it does. Your failure to see it does not mean that it doesn't.
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You can imagine, all you want. The fact remains, God is the Creator, and sovereign over His Creation, and you are neither.
I wouldn't hang my eternal destiny on a fantasy.....
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"The birth precedes the believing"
could you go into more detail of how those verses indicated birth preceding believing?
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1 John 5
1(A)Whoever believes that Jesus is the [a]Christ is (B)born of God, and whoever loves the Father (C)loves the child born of Him. 2(D)By this we know that (E)we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3For (F)this is the love of God, that we (G)keep His commandments; and (H)His commandments are not burdensome.
4For whatever is (I)born of God (J)overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
5Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who (K)believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
birth happens upon belief(provided you don't fall away) hence "born again"
1(A)Whoever believes that Jesus is the [a]Christ is (B)born of God, and whoever loves the Father (C)loves the child born of Him. 2(D)By this we know that (E)we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3For (F)this is the love of God, that we (G)keep His commandments; and (H)His commandments are not burdensome.
4For whatever is (I)born of God (J)overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
5Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who (K)believes that Jesus is the Son of God?
birth happens upon belief(provided you don't fall away) hence "born again"
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exactly
freewill established from the get go(before the creation of the world I think)
don't remember exactly when the angels were created(pretty sure it was pre-earth)
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JOHN 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
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John 1
11He came to His [d]own, and those who were His own did not receive Him.
12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become (O)children of God, even (P)to those who believe in His name,
13(Q)who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
very true, God provided the chance to be born again
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LOL! So one can "unbirth" himself? You're preaching works to get saved, and to stay saved. As I have pointed out before, it's all about you, not about God.
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1 Peter 1
2according to the (J)foreknowledge of God the Father, (K)by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to (L)obey Jesus Christ and be (M)sprinkled with His blood: (N)May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure.
3(O)Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who (P)according to His great mercy (Q)has caused us to be born again to (R)a living hope through the (S)resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
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When men say: "O Lord, we are the clay, you are the potter! Fashion, shape and make us, and do with us as seems good in Thy sight, only let us know Thy will, we are here to perform whatever Thou requirest," it makes me think of that second person that came forth in the heavens when the voice went forth: "Who will redeem the earth, who will go forth and make the sacrifice for the earth and all things it contains?" The eldest son said: "Here am I;" but he did not say "send me." But the second one, which was "Lucifer, son of the morning," said, "Lord, here am I, send me, I will redeem every son and daughter of Adam and Eve that lives on the earth, or that ever goes on the earth." "But," says the Father, "that will not answer at all. I give each and every individual his agency; all must use that in order to gain exaltation in my kingdom; inasmuch as they have the power of choice they must exercise that power. They are my children; the attributes which you see in me are in my children and they must use their agency. If you undertake to save all, you must save them in unrighteousness and corruption. You will be the man that will say to the thief on the cross, to the murderer on the gallows, and to him who has killed his father, mother, brothers, and sisters and little ones, "Now, if you will say, I repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, or on the Savior of the world, you shall be saved." This is what all the religious sects of the day are saying now, but Jesus did not say any such thing.
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