Calvinism Refuted

[willowtrees]

it was a direct response to MamaZ comment

if you watched you would realize there is much substance to what I posted

and if you don't realize........

Abel I don't like when you post writings not part of Scripture, I see you think of them as such or at least close.

I didn't know that you posted those last posts for her, I apologize.

 

[&Abel]

Abel I don't like when you post writings not part of Scripture, I see you think of them as such or at least close.

I didn't know that you posted those last posts for her, I apologize.

I didn't post writings...they are songs lol

 

[willowtrees]

I know


I had referenced that from earlier posts of yours.

 

[&Abel]

I know


I had referenced that from earlier posts of yours.

you already attempted to chastise me for trying to enlighten you so why post that now?

I've posted nothing but scripture since you guys whined

 

[willowtrees]

you already attempted to chastise me for trying to enlighten you so why post that now?

I've posted nothing but scripture since you guys whined

You may think I am posting with unkindness, I hope I haven't.
I have read your posts though Abel. I really have, I do not say that condesending sp? either.

I don't attempt to chastise or whine, if you think I have, I am sorry you saw it that way.

 

[Robert Pate]

If every one is predestinated why did Jesus command his apostles to go into the world and preach the Gospel to every creature? Mark 16:15. And then Jesus said in verse 16, "He that believes in me will be saved, and he that does not believe will be damned."

If everyone is predestinated why preach the Gospel at all?

The preaching of the gospel is what draws men to Christ. Jesus said, "When I am lifted up (up on the cross) I will draw all men to myself." When the Gospel is preached the Holy Spirit is there to convict men of their need for Christ. This is how the 5000 were converted on the day of Pentecost. Peter preached the Gospel. Peter did not say that this Gospel is only for the elect. No, he said, "It shall come to pass that WHOSOEVER shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved," Acts 2:21.

The Gospel refutes Calvinism. In the Gospel God has perfected all of humanity and has taken it to heaven. The Gospel is God's great free gift to humanity, Romans 5:18. We have been MADE complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. This Gospel is yours only when by faith you make it yours. If you don't accept it you are still in your sins.

John 1:7, The same came for a witness, of the light, thay ALL MEN through him might believe.

John 3:16, For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 22:15, For you shall be witnesses unto ALL MEN of what you have seen and heard.

Romans 5:12, Wherefore as by one man sin entered the world, and death by sin: and so death passed upon ALL MEN, for that all have sinned.

Romans 5:18, Therefore by the offense of one (Adam) judgment came upon ALL MEN to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one (Christ) the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life.

Romans 8:32, He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up FOR US ALL, how shall he not give us all things.

2 Corinthians 5:14-15, For the love of God constraines us; because we thus judge, that if one died FOR ALL, then we are ALL dead. And he that died FOR ALL, which live should not live unto themselves.

2 Corinthians 5;19, God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD unto himself.

2 Corinthians 9:13, While by the experiment of this ministration they glorify God for your professed subjection into the gospel of christ, and for your liberal distribution unto them, and unto ALL MEN.

Ephesians 3;9, And to make ALL MEN see what is the fellowship of the mystery from which from the beginning of the world was hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 2:4, Who will have ALL MEN to be saved and to come into the knowledge of the truth.

1 Timothy 2:5-6, For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ who gave himself a ransom FOR ALL.

1 Timothy 4:10, For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the savior of ALL MEN.

Titus 2:11, For the grace of God that brings salvation to ALL MEN.

Hebrews 2:9, But we see Jesus who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for EVERY MAN.

Hebrews 10:10, But that we will have been sanctified through the offering of one body of Jesus Christ once FOR ALL.

James 1:15, If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to ALL MEN liberally.

1 John 2:2, And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD.

1 John 4:14, And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the savior of the WHOLE WORLD.

1 John 5:4, For whatsoever (whosoever) is born of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that overcomes the world OUR FAITH.

2 Peter 3:9, The Lord is not slack concerning his promise as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering toward us, not willing THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, but that ALL should come to repentance.

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I think that its time to review the opening post.

 

[drstevej]

In the Gospel God has perfected all of humanity and has taken it to heaven

Even the Anti-Christ?

*sigh*

 

[Hammster]

I think that its time to review the opening post.

these have already been addressed and proven without a shadow of a doubt to not refute Calvinism.

 

[Hammster]

Even the Anti-Christ?



*sigh*

If you're gonna be an anti-Christ, you may as well be a perfect one.

 

[Robert Pate]

Even the Anti-Christ?

*sigh*

Since when was the Anti-Christ a part of humanity. The Anti-Christ spoken of in Revelation 13:13 is the devil himself.

 

[drstevej]

How about this guy? He's in Heaven perfected too?

2 Thessalonians 2

3Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Robert Pate]

these have already been addressed and proven without a shadow of a doubt to not refute Calvinism.

There are 21 scriptures in the opening post. You have not answered any of them.

 

[&Abel]

these have already been addressed and proven without a shadow of a doubt to not refute Calvinism.

wheres that exactly?

you've also ignored the scripture I posted

 

[cygnusx1]

Actually, I see a good bit of common ground. Indeed, it is God Who awakens the spiritual interest, Who enlightens, AND Who draws the sinner to Jesus, Who extends the gospel invitation and strenghtens the will to accept it. Where we seem to part company is this student's understanding of Scripture that God so awakens, enlightens and draws EVERYONE, extends the gospel invitation to all, strengthens the will of each one to accept it, and that Christ gave His life for all. Although, it wouldn't seem like accepting that should be such a problem. It is plainly taught in Scripture. The other area of parting company is the understanding that while God does this for all, not all are willing to accept the gospel invitation. Each person chooses whether or not to do so and, in so doing, is using the power of reason and choice which God created him with.

this is nothing but the old Wesleyian prevenient grace dogma ..... not supported by scripture.

and it ignores why Grace is needed in salvation...........

 

[Hammster]

There are 21 scriptures in the opening post. You have not answered any of them.

I am sure they have been addressed somewhere. I will have to look up the posts. It is either here or one of the other threads. Just be assured that they have been addressed.

I will post those, but right now I have to rush to clip my toenails, and I don't have time.

 

[&Abel]

I am sure they have been addressed somewhere. I will have to look up the posts. It is either here or one of the other threads. Just be assured that they have been addressed.

I will post those, but right now I have to rush to clip my toenails, and I don't have time.

so in other words you claimed the scripture was refuted without actually knowing whether it had been refuted or not?

isn't that deceitful?

 

[heymikey80]

There are 21 scriptures in the opening post. You have not answered any of them.

The reason why is that they're a non-sequitur. These Scriptures don't result in the refutation of Calvinism.

Calvinism doesn't deny common grace, the general call, or the ascendancy of the King of All. But "not everything is soteriology." None of these actions actually saves universally.

As to your comments and criticisms in the OP unrelated to the Scripture: "God ordains means as well as ends."

It's always advisable to discover what someone is arguing before trying to attack it. Otherwise the result is like a screaming horde of barbarians throwing rocks and sticks before a well-armed column.

 

[&Abel]

The reason why is that they're a non-sequitur. These Scriptures don't result in the refutation of Calvinism.

Calvinism doesn't deny common grace, the general call, or the ascendancy of the King of All. But "not everything is soteriology." None of these actions actually saves universally.

As to your comments and criticisms in the OP unrelated to the Scripture: "God ordains means as well as ends."

It's always advisable to discover what someone is arguing before trying to attack it. Otherwise the result is like a screaming horde of barbarians throwing rocks and sticks before a well-armed column.

you must not be a calvinist at all cause they certainly do teach that only those who are called can be saved(and all who are called will be saved)

thats what its all about in fact

we freewillers argue that a person must decide of their own will to receive God based on His universal call and Calvinist believe God decides

 

[MamaZ]

it was a direct response to MamaZ comment

if you watched you would realize there is much substance to what I posted

and if you don't realize........

So with this music and all these people in the concert throwing the devil sign what am I suppose to take from this? You deem that you can see through people but yet you actually know not a one of us on here. Because we stand on the scripture and lift God up as soverein and ruler over all this bothers you somehow.. Why is that?

 

[&Abel]

Romans 1

18For (AJ)the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who (AK)suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19because (AL)that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
20For (AM)since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, (AN)being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.
21For even though they knew God, they did not [c]honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became (AO)futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22(AP)Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23and (AQ)exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and [d]crawling creatures.
24Therefore (AR)God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be (AS)dishonored among them.
25For they exchanged the truth of God for a (AT)lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, (AU)who is blessed forever. Amen.
26For this reason (AV)God gave them over to (AW)degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, (AX)men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, (AY)God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,
29being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are (AZ)gossips,
30slanderers, (BA)haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, (BB)disobedient to parents,
31without understanding, untrustworthy, (BC)unloving, unmerciful;
32and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of (BD)death, they not only do the same, but also (BE)give hearty approval to those who practice them.



game set and match?