Calvinism Refuted

[nobdysfool]

if you are spreading a Calvinist "gospel" are you really doing Christ any service?

"Congratulations you've already won eternal life!"

/me opens envelope

"If you were selected from the roulette wheel of destiny before the creation of the world"

/me grows sad "theres no way this dirty sinner is an elect"

We preach the Gospel. Why is it so hard for you non- and anti-Calvinists to understand that? Do you preach an anti-Calvinist Gospel? Or an Arminian Gospel?

If you do, you're just as bad as you want to say we are. Now, can we discuss some real things, rather than this bunch of crap?

 

[JDS]

God is very faithful to His word. We can live by the very promises of God. For we walk not by sight but by faith..I have realatives that do not know Christ.. Is God still faithful.. You bet He is..

I wonder why your children are elect and your relatives are not?

 

[JDS]

We preach the Gospel. Why is it so hard for you non- and anti-Calvinists to understand that? Do you preach an anti-Calvinist Gospel? Or an Arminian Gospel?

If you do, you're just as bad as you want to say we are. Now, can we discuss some real things, rather than this bunch of crap?

What do you say to a lost man when you preach to him? What do you tell him about Jesus Christ and how the life of Christ relates to him?

 

[MamaZ]

well if He first loved you then He has done something for you hasn't He

if he made you to be elect then of course your love for Him is based on what he did for you

no matter how pure and true that love is...if you truly believe you were pre-programed to love him then that love means nothing and is entirely about what He did for you

One has to be engulfed with the Love of God. Would you marry someone you do not know or profess love to them? Do you go to every person and admire them and shower them will love and gifts? Scripture shows us that we love Him because He first loved Us..

 

[nobdysfool]

I wonder why your children are elect and your relatives are not?

As if she could do anything about that. And, how do you know that her relatives are not elect? Answer: YOU DON'T

Each person who believes does so at the time and place appointed by God. Her relatives may not have arrived at that time and place. There was a time when you did not believe. How would you have liked someone writing you off? You certainly seem to be willing to throw them under the bus, or accuse her of doing so.

Go learn what Reformed Theology/Calvinism actually teaches, and educate yourself, or get educated.

 

[MamaZ]

What do you say to a lost man when you preach to him? What do you tell him about Jesus Christ and how the life of Christ relates to him?

What do you tell them? We do not know whom God has elected.. What we do know is that if we preach Christ then those whom God has predestined will hear the voice of the Good shepherd and they will follow Him. God is the one who waters and makes the increase of the incorruptable seed planted.

 

[drstevej]

I wonder why your children are elect and your relatives are not?

How do you know the relatives are not?

 

[&Abel]

One has to be engulfed with the Love of God. Would you marry someone you do not know or profess love to them? Do you go to every person and admire them and shower them will love and gifts? Scripture shows us that we love Him because He first loved Us..

it certainly does but it does not say He loved us by pre-programing us to love Him back

He loved us cause He knew we would love him

He created the world because of those who would love Him

 

[MamaZ]

I wonder why your children are elect and your relatives are not?

How do I know if they are the elect? It is God who causes the increase. He knows who are His.. He will call them in His timing. I am just a seed planter.. I cannot drag them and beg them and demand of them to come to know Christ. All I can do is plant the seeds and be a witness to Christ..

 

[MamaZ]

it certainly does but it does not say He loved us by pre-programing us to love Him back

He loved us cause He knew we would love him

He created the world because of those who would love Him

Where does the scripture tell you He loved us because He knew we would love HIm? He came and loved the Jews to. But instead of Love they wanted His death..

 

[&Abel]

well hopefully you don't sow seeds of doubt by discussing this election crap

had I heard election before I came to Christ it would have been a MAJOR turnoff and probably would have just pushed me farther away

 

[&Abel]

Where does the scripture tell you He loved us because He knew we would love HIm? He came and loved the Jews to. But instead of Love they wanted His death..

this is based on the whole of scripture

the whole of Gods character which He has revealed

 

[cygnusx1]

well if He first loved you then He has done something for you hasn't He

if He made you to be elect then of course your love for Him is based on what He did for you

no matter how pure and true that love is...if you truly believe you were pre-programed to love Him then that love means nothing and is entirely about what He did for you

"were not robots" .. inspiration "theopneustos" does not destroy personality , check out God's "control" over ‘plenary’ inspiration of scripture .

 

[Bulstrode Whitelock]

well hopefully you don't sow seeds of doubt by discussing this election crap

had I heard election before I came to Christ it would have been a MAJOR turnoff and probably would have just pushed me farther away

You refer to something God teaches in Scripture as "crap"?

Wow

Just wow.

 

[&Abel]

I would ask that all Calvinist's refrain from discussing this doctrine when evangelizing

 

[Bulstrode Whitelock]

I would ask that all Calvinist's refrain from discussing this doctrine when evangelizing

Actually, the doctrine of election provides the framework for proper evangelization. It is what keeps us from making mistakes and telling lies.

 

[MamaZ]

well hopefully you don't sow seeds of doubt by discussing this election crap

had I heard election before I came to Christ it would have been a MAJOR turnoff and probably would have just pushed me farther away

Well to those who God has predestined He has also Called..So if one is born again it was not by mans doings..

 

[nobdysfool]

What do you say to a lost man when you preach to him? What do you tell him about Jesus Christ and how the life of Christ relates to him?

I speak as the Holy Spirit leads, and tell him that Christ died and rose again to to save sinners. I share the Gospel with him, as the opportunity arises. It's never the same way twice.

I'm not going to sit here and have you sit in judgment over how I witness and who I witness to. I don't believe in the "notches on the belt" style of evangelism. I believe in being led by the Spirit, and letting my life and actions be a witness, as well as my words. I have witness to many people, some of whom I've never seen again. I trust God to water the seeds I've planted. And I've seen the fruit of some of them.

This whole "how can a Calvinist witness?" sub-thread is ridiculous, and bogus. It's a distraction based on falsehoods, and ignorance.

 

[&Abel]

"were not robots" .. inspiration "theopneustos" does not destroy personality , check out God's "control" over ‘plenary’ inspiration of scripture .

if He personally sculpted you to be elect then you have to be pre-programed

 

[&Abel]

this doctrine suggests we had nothing to do with His selection of us

which makes us nothing more then pawns in a game