Calvinism is Temporally Minded. Missing Revelation.

Projected Calvinist response to a Reformed systematic theologian discussing the spirit tier level rather than the flesh level of man in flesh in time in Adam. And the 70% of scriptural revelation that Calvinism cannot see because advanced Reformed systematic theology is not about the flesh of Adam but the spiritual level discussed in scripture!!

LOL at previous picture!! Please don't respond like that as I discuss... "Limited Atonement".

Calvinism made a foundational error when it considered only the flesh of man and declared that election and reprobation is a groundless and arbitrary decision of God in FORESIGHT OMNISCIENCE... and Sovereign power combined.

Election and reprobation are certainly based on God's Sovereign power.

However, to declare that election is arbitrary rather than according to literal spiritual foreknowledge... is to make the election of the elect groundless in the blindness of one's own scope of vision and perception and judgment... falsely.

And, if all one sees is "all mankind fell in Adam in his flesh" with the tunnel vision of temporally minded flesh-centered limited scope of vision... the logical conclusion would be, "If God intended to save all mankind in an Unlimited Atonement... then the reprobate would be saved in their human lifetimes JUST LIKE the elect (because there is no fundamental difference whatsoever between the elect and the reprobate). So, because the reprobate are not saved in their human lifetimes, and the elect are, and these two people groups are exactly the same in all respects... then God does not will to save the reprobate at all. The atonement is, therefore, logically stated to be LIMITED!"

Is that scriptural? No.

1. There is an inherent difference unseen at the spirit level between the reprobate and elect.
2. God will without fail save the elect in their human lifetimes because their spirits are in Christ before the foundation of the world; election having grounds in spiritual pre-existence in Christ (just as at the moment of Adam's creation our flesh bodies were in his like Levi in the loins of Abraham).
3. God simply cannot, by spiritual law, save the reprobate in their human lifetimes because their pre-existent spirits are of the devil before the world in a fully and totally blasphemous state in total depravity; reprobation having grounds in spiritual pre-existence already condemned (just as at the moment of Adam's creation our flesh bodies where in his loins like Levi in the loins of Abraham).

The whole foundation of Calvinism in arriving at the errant conclusion of Limited Atonement is based on the fallacious argument that God indiscriminately chose the elect and, if He had so willed, could have likewise saved all the reprobate also during their human lifetime. (Thus the conclusion that because God didn't save the reprobate in their human lifetimes, though He could have, it's not God's will to save the reprobate at all.)

No, it is not true!

God could not save the reprobate in their human lifetimes. Their pre-existent spirit man is in a fully blasphemous state that is unchangeable! There is ZERO possibility for the spirit of a devil to repent! The state of blasphemy in full blasphemy is resident in their spirits and unchangeable in a human vessel!

There is NO WAY POSSIBLE for God to save Esau in his human lifetime.

Can you bring the spirit of a devil to repentance and faith? NO! Period.

It is not possible!

Therefore, that the reprobate of John 8 die in their sins is unavoidable. It is cause and effect.

Predestination is the result of spiritual origination and state of being prior to being made human.

Reprobation of the reprobate is by unchangeable spiritual law... even as election of the elect is by unchangeable spiritual law.

This spiritual law removes from God the Father all allegation that He loves the elect more than He loves the reprobate.... and that God arbitrarily chose to create the reprobate for the purpose of eternal damnation from an arbitrary and groundless decision.

The image that is created of God as a God who would look at human beings who fell equally in the fall of Adam... choosing some to election and some to reprobation "duck, duck, goose" is not an accurate portrayal of God in His Character or Person and is not an accurate portrayal of the image of God in His Heart and Character as God.

No, the revelation of scripture is that God simply cannot save the reprobate in their human lifetimes because their total depravity is full at the core level of their spirits in an unchanging blasphemous state spiritually.

Their human souls, due to the restraining power of the Holy Spirit, will not manifest the total depravity that is at the core of their spiritual personhood in truth... unless the Holy Spirit lifts restraint so that they manifest fully as what they are at core spirit level.

So, no matter how a reprobate "appears"... that reprobate is as Judas was: a devil at core spiritual state of being in a completely blasphemous state that cannot change during human lifetime.

There is ZERO remedy for the spiritual state of a reprobate in human lifetime... because a reprobate is born into this world with a pre-existent spirit man who is already FULLY in a FULL state of unchanging blasphemy.

No reprobate can be saved in their human lifetimes... and God cannot be charged with creating a poor innocent human being to spend eternity in hell!!

No! This is not what happened in the testimony of scripture.

God in Infinite Longsuffering Common Grace... brought the spirits of the devils into the Genesis creation on the First Day for the purpose of making them human.

They are on "vacation from hell" in their human lifetimes... and God is ever gracious.

They will assuredly die in their sins and go to hell. God graciously made them human.

But, they came from hell in spirit and their blasphemous spirits will never repent or believe Jesus Christ in a human lifetime... and thus their own spiritual state causes them to die in their sins and go to hell.

Who hath known the mind of the Lord or been His counsellor?

And who condemns the righteous judgments of God for these humans being created, being predestined of God in their creation to die in their sins and go to hell??

They are devils incarnate.

Let God be vindicated by the revelation of His Word as wicked men assail His Character falsely accusing God of cruelty.

God has not been cruel in the Bible truth of reprobation... but GRACIOUS AND LOVING AND KIND in making them human!

The Atonement is not proven Limited by their deaths in their sins.

Rather, the Calvinist is not looking to see the larger plan of God.

Limited Atonement. Continued.

The Calvinist says, "Look! If God had WANTED to save the reprobate... God is SOVEREIGN... and He could have WILLED to save them in their human lifetimes.. AND EFFECTUALLY SAVED THEM IN THEIR HUMAN LIFETIMES ALONG WITH THE ELECT!! He didn't. There is NO DIFFERENCE between the elect and the reprobate!! So, the statement that the Atonement is Unlimited is FALSE!!"

Wrong.

Foundational error.

Logical fallacy.

The elect and reprobate are inherently different in pre-existent spirit. The reprobate CANNOT be saved in human lifetime! Period. Stop. Case closed.

The death of the reprobate in their sins is NO EVIDENCE of LIMITED ATONEMENT!

It is fallacious logic and biblical error... NOT sound exegesis... to look at a reprobate who dies in sin and declare this is evidence that the Atonement is Limited.

It is NO EVIDENCE to that effect!!

Well, I will agree that if a person only looks at man in flesh on earth in time... then one will be limited to the temporal man-centered view of Calvinism and never be gifted of grace to see the larger eternal whole counsel plan of God.

You'll continue as 5 Point Calvinists... with that I will agree.

Takes stepping back to see the larger picture to begin to see more in scripture.

Jesus Christ is not returning to restore to us the physical bodies of Adam before the fall.

Jesus Christ, in the redemption of our bodies, is gifting to us the Heavenly celestial bodies of angels.

If we started out as humans... if that was our origin... the flesh of Adam solely... why do we get the bodies of angels in Heavenly bodies at the Lord's return?

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Why isn't our redemption restoration to the bodies of Adam and Eve before the fall??

If this is all about man in flesh in time on earth... why does God destroy the Genesis creation... end the human race... and make us angels in body at His glorious appearing?

The scripture declares that at the return of Jesus Christ... our inward spirit gained in our most holy salvation through living faith in Jesus Christ... as a seed... produces the body of a Heavenly angel.

Why doesn't Calvinism teach us that we the saints are angels in spirit in seed... and that we are not human in our spirits born of God???

Our spirit is neither male nor female in Christ... but our bodies are male or female as human bodies. Our spirits are not consistent with our human bodies as saints.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Genesis 5:2 male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

Why doesn't Calvinism teach us that we are angel in spirit as saints... and human in body... being both angel and human even as Jesus Christ was both God and man??

Why doesn't Calvinism tell us that we are only human for a short season... but were angels in spirit in foreknowledge in Christ before the foundation of the world... are angels in spirit in our most holy salvation in Christ... and angels in body at the return of the Lord Jesus Christ in His Heavenly body??

I guess Calvinism cannot see 70% of the revelation of scripture as it obsesses on the flesh and humanity of man... never considering the spiritual before time, in time, or after time.

I'd say, in those respects, that Calvinism is heretical... and unorthodox (not consistent with scripture).

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

1 Corinthians 15:38 but God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

1 Corinthians 15: 46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

What is a saint?

Hypostatic union: both angel in spirit and human in flesh.

Will "Calvinism" ever see that?? Never.

The 5 Points will never see anything but the flesh of man in Adam on earth in time in flesh... missing 70% of the revelation of scripture.

Calvinism sees only the Hypostatic union of God made a man; but not of the angelic race made the human race even as God was made a man.

That's omission of at least 70% of the revelation of scripture.

Oh,... I know... that I don't think "inside the box". I reject any focus on the flesh of man. I bring the level of the spiritual level... that Calvinism doesn't review.

There is ZERO study of angels in the Calvinist system... or really any system. So, it never occurs to anyone to build a theological system that includes the spiritual level before time, in time, and after time.

No other system sees the angelic and human level is actually... ONE... in ONE eternal whole counsel plan.

There was no way to destroy the devil and his angels according to the spirit of sin that consumed them in the fall of the devil and his angels.

I submit that God created the Genesis creation as a temporal Mediator dimension in which man was created as a flesh and blood vessel for hypostatic union... not only for God made the man Christ Jesus... but the angels.

No one can refute the position scripturally... because it is plain to anyone who really looks and lines it up systematically.

The thing is... who would look?? I would. Because all I want to know is the truth... and I view the Bible as a logic puzzle. And I'm not invested in my humanity. I am invested in Jesus Christ.

Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.

The purpose of the Genesis creation is the destruction of the devil.

The only way... is to take the entire angelic host into a Mediator Dimension... 2nd person incarnate... through God the Son as God the Father 2nd Person.

This is a temporary 2nd Dimension... and it is a realm of hypostatic union... created for the destruction of the very spirit of sin.

The devil and his angels according to the spirit of sin must be made a temporal flesh and blood race along with the holy angels... and God Himself... in a 2nd person 2nd Dimension.

Save them in their temporal race level... destroying the very spirit of sin... and it is automatic redemption of them as angels.

They cannot be saved or redeemed as angels. They can only be saved as an ancillary temporal race... which then saves them automatically to restore them to the angelic level.

It's SHEER GENIUS... and a multi-dimensional plan in manifold wisdom.

Who is going to see that??

It's Einsteinian.

It's the level thought only GOD HIMSELF could originate... and is FULLY IMPOSSIBLE to see by human reason.

It's a capacity to see that which was, which is, and which is to come at the full spiritual level.

There's no way to see it... looking at the temporal level as primary rather than ancillary.

It's there... but who is going to see it??

So, I will not accept any unbelief blowback.

Sola scripture.

The move is already beginning to move to this systematic framework of theology... and no one can refute it scripturally.

They can only make errors in their theology... and miss it.

It's irrefutable.

BryanW92 said:

Does a person have to know this? If we are an "angel race", then we will be that whether we believe it or not.

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A person can be saved and not even realize that God is 100% Sovereign and we are saved by election (and those who die in their sins die in their sins due to reprobation), of course.

Here's the deal. Only full revelation can generate enough power to manifest entire sanctification... producing transfiguration.

The only reason you need to know this is... if you want to escape tribulation with the Church of Philadelphia.

If you want to be martyred... you're all set... and don't need this.

But, those who will escape tribulation... are given this revelation. It's necessary to have full revelation of the eternal whole counsel to see Jesus at the 100% level required to activate the power gift of faith at time of transfiguration to escape tribulation.

And, those of us who have a passion for truth... want to know.

You cannot hit this level apart from this revelation:

Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. 10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. 14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. 16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

You cannot cast satan fully under your feet to arise in transfiguration apart from full revelation of the eternal whole counsel plan of God... which reveals the full power of the blood of Jesus.

This doctrine is necessary to go onto perfection (maturity).

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this will we do, if God permit.

This is "pinnacle level revelation".

It's the greatest revelation.

It's certainly not necessary for salvation or even living a godly life.

But, if one would manifest full destruction of satan in one's body in order to attain entire sanctification with the Church of PHiladelphia in perfection... it's fundamentally necessary.

Inkfingers said:

Scripture please that says Satan was in some heavenly garden rather than in Eden on earth..

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You need to use logical rules.

1. Darkness pre-existed the Genesis creation. Therefore, darkness which is assuredly stated throughout scripture to be the manifestation of sin and satan... pre-existed the Genesis creation. Case closed. The devil and his angels fell before the Genesis creation was created.

2. In Heaven above, there is the Paradise Garden of God already proven in earlier comments.

It is "easier" to think of this world rather than things above. So, you might want to pray... and pray for spiritual power to see the unseen realms... and to think of the unseen rather than the seen. It takes prayer. This isn't human reason... but spiritual revelation. So, the natural mind will default to a natural minded line of reasoning. Just as a note... I have prayed and read the Bible... on average.... over this period of time... of 40 years.... 3-5 hours daily to gain capacity to think through this level theological system.

So, if you don't "see it" in 5 minutes... well, would you expect to be able to see the most advanced theology at the most advanced spiritual level revelation... in 5 minutes... without prayer?? This cannot be seen by human ability... is all I'm saying.

So, I'll give more scripture... but you don't even see that darkness is not good. So, it causes me to question whether I'm even speaking to a Christian. It is unbelievers who see no difference between darkness and light. So, I truly wonder if you love Jesus or not. I don't know you... but when you say you think darkness is "good"... that's a real problem, friend.

Jude 6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Here's some logic for you.

Have you seen any devils in fallen angel bodies walking around today??

Because if the devil and his angels fell from the Garden of Eden... you'd be seeing fallen angels in fallen angel bodies walking around this earth. You don't.

The Bible in Jude declares that they fell from their first habitation... Heaven above us where New Jerusalem is... with Mount Zion... and the Tree of Life... and obviously... there's not a barren wasteland in Heaven above. Obviously, it would be the most beautiful Garden setting... so beautiful... it's beyond human ability to imagine or comprehend.

The City of New Jerusalem is a City... and outside of the City is Mount Zion. So, there is terrain. And if you just "think about it"... you'll realize that Heaven is a beautiful place. And outside of the City... where Mount Zion is... it's not going to be a barren wasteland. Simple logic would tell you that there is a Garden of God in Heaven.

But, scripture plainly declares that the devil and his angels fell from the First Estate of Heaven... and, when they fell, they were literally chained under the darkness.

Then, you see darkness in Genesis 1:1... that you declare is good. You are declaring that the darkness in which the devil and his angels are chained is "good"... and darkness is "good". Genesis 1:1 stated that the Light was good... and was separated from the darkness.

So, please pray if you are saved.

When the devil and his angels fell from grace... from their abode in Heaven above us... they were chained in hell as scripture declares under the darkness unto Judgment Day.

First person fallen angels are not in this realm. They are in chains in hell.

What is present in this realm is the incarnation level 2nd person of their spirits.

If you can reason this through... saints are here on earth in human bodies while seated with God in Christ in Heavenly places... at the same time.

So, the devil and his angels are here in this realm... while their devil fallen bodies are at the same time chained in hell.

There is no one here "1st person" in their "1st person body".

This is a 2nd Dimension Mediator dimension.

This is not hell itself here... nor is it Heaven.

It's a different dimension than hell where the devils are chained in fallen angel bodies... and it is a different dimension than Heaven above us.

It's completely illogical for you to state that the devil and his angels fell from the Garden of Eden on earth rather than Heaven above us... their first abode.

It's completely illogical for you to state that darkness is "good" and the darkness which pre-existed the Genesis creation was "good"... and no sin existed prior to the Genesis creation.

If you do not gain the capacity to reason through the most basic fundamental lines and precepts... I will not further discourse with you.

There is no point in discussion if you steadfastly assert that "darkness is good".

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The darkness pre-existed the Genesis creation.

God saw the light, that it was good.

God separated the darkness from the light... and scripture declares throughout that darkness is evil.

Moreover, God destroys the darkness at the return of Jesus Christ.

So, I don't mean to be unkind, but there is no point in further discussion of advanced theology with an individual who thinks that darkness is good.

So, please pray and concede the point... or I will not further discourse with you... because a person who cannot grasp the most simple concept in scripture... is not further capable of advanced discussion.

God bless.

Inkfingers said:

By that argument God lived in darkness before creation and so lived in sin.

I notice also that you ignored my point about how after night and day are created both are called good.

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That's depraved. God lived in Heaven in full Light. The devil and his angels fell in sin and were cast down as the darkness.

You reject that darkness is evil. And accuse God of sin for the fall of the devil and his angels.

That is blasphemy that you state... that I never did.

Reread Genesis 1 one word at a time. God saw the Light that it was good and separated the light from the darkness. God never said the darkness was good but rather declared the Light alone was good.

Genesis 1 Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

You are speaking blasphemy in calling darkness good and attributing to God who is Light the darkness of sin and evil - of the kingdom of darkness which is satan - that you call "good".

What has been stated is so clear... and you cannot hear it. John 8.

BryanW92 said:

I don't buy into this contemporary "Christian-Buddhism". I'm not saying that you call it that, because many people who are nominally christian believe in karma, wheels, levels of enlightenment, etc and don't even know that it is Buddhism. Claiming that you can elevate yourself to a spirit being just through enlightenment (even if you choose to stir in a little bit of Jesus into the mix) is pure Buddhism. But I have to admit that your version of works-based sanctification is more interesting than that of the Methodists.

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You accuse me of things I never said.

Do you deny that Paul was of greater revelation than other Christians? Do you deny that some Christians have greater revelation than others? Do you deny that some Christians have greater sanctification than other Christians?

I hope not.

Believing those things doesn't make you a Buddhist.... and me neither.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

You can only be sanctified in accordance with your revelation of the Word of God.

When you don't know the Word, you lack power to be sanctified by the Holy Spirit through revelation of the Word of God.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.

The Church of Philadelphia will escape tribulation. The Laodicean Church will not.

I do not hesitate to tell Christians that they will not escape tribulation if they believe they are saved by free will.

Neither will they escape tribulation if they do not see the entire whole counsel... because we are sanctified in Truth by grace through faith alone.

That's not works-based righteousness. That's the truth of scripture that one is sanctified only in accordance with revelation of sound and true doctrine.

Revelation 3:7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth; 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee. 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. 13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This is the body of Christ coming to full measure and full stature. That is the full measure of faith produced by full revelation (through the eternal whole counsel fully revealed fully revealing the face of Jesus)... and arising full stature in entire sanctification.... through the only means given: sound and true doctrine of the Word by the Spirit.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

That is neither Buddhism nor works-based righteousness.

It is sanctification in Truth... the Word of Truth.

What matters is revelation of sound doctrine... as all of scripture testifies. Therefore, when I state that I am releasing the eternal whole counsel in fullness... and that this is the means of escape from tribulation... unto the Church of Philadelphia... which the Laodicean Church will not receiver... it is simply the Word of God I am stating.

So, rather than accuse a follower of Jesus Christ who gives all glory to God and is faithful in the Word of God and prayer of being a Buddhist, perhaps one might speak with greater grace in love in Jesus.

Jesus Christ alone is the Only Way of Salvation... and revelation of the Word of God is the only means of sanctification by grace.

A disciple of Jesus Christ continues in His Word... and those who would become mature come to greater revelation of the eternal whole counsel of scripture. That's neither works nor Buddhism. That's being a disciple of Jesus Christ. We know the truth... and are set free.

The Church of Philadelphia are disciples of Jesus who have continued in the Word to gain the revelation necessary to become sanctified to escape tribulation. The Church of Laodicea is not so. This is the teaching of Jesus Christ.

So, how is being a disciple of Jesus Christ to continue in His Word to know the truth and be set free... sanctified in Truth with His Word being Truth being a Buddhist or works righteousness? It's not.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus Christ teaching that we must be born of the Spirit of God as spirit... is not Buddhism. It's Biblical Christianity. Any who is not born of the Holy Spirit through living faith in Jesus Christ... is not a Christian.

The discussion is hypostatic union of the spirit born of God. That's Biblical Christianity.

And, any who is not spiritual enough to focus on the spirit not the flesh... as stated... is Laodicean or some other church.

The Church of Philadelphia is filled with the Spirit of God through revelation of sound doctrine at the level of maturity in Christ. That's the testimony of scripture.

I think people need to get serious about tribulation... and escape therefrom. However, if they brush aside discussion of the Word of God... and do not study to show themselves approved... how shall they escape tribulation?

John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

John 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

Hypostatic union. Scripture declares throughout that mankind is a temporary race according to the flesh. Jesus Christ is God Himself Incarnate in Spirit made a man.

The remainder of mankind are angels incarnate in spirit made human - male and female.

The Genesis creation was created because God loves with love that does not depend on works. God loved the angels who fell while hating their sin. God hates sin and loves sinners.

God created the Genesis creation to make "earth suits" for Himself and angels... creating a temporal realm of redemption for angels made human.

That's the eternal whole counsel. To focus on one's temporal human experience thinking "eternity comes later"... denies that eternity preceded the creation of the Genesis creation. The Genesis creation was created for the destruction of the devil... the spirit of sin... and the redemption of all creation in reconciling all creation back to the Father.

And when it is done, this earth will be remade as the Heaven and earth above with New Jerusalem on it with it's original population of holy angels... the prodigal sons... fully reconciled to God the Father.

Knowing this is essential to seeing Jesus Christ fully revealed through the Word of God.

Seeing Jesus Christ fully revealed through the Word of God is essential to escape from tribulation with the Church of Philadelphia.

Let he who has ears hear.

John 1:51 And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.

Hebrews 1:2 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.... 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Inkfingers said:

He saw the night and the morning, and said they were good. Read it yourself instead of stopping part way through.

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Genesis 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: {{STOP. GOD SAID THE LIGHT WAS GOOD. GOD DID NOT SAY THE DARKNESS WAS GOOD.}} and God divided the light from the darkness. {{GOD SEPARATED THE LIGHT WHICH HE DECLARED GOOD FROM THE DARKNESS. THE DARKNESS PRE-EXISTED. THE LIGHT WAS GOD'S CREATIVE ACT IN SAYING "LET THERE BE LIGHT".}}5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.{{GOD DID NOT SAY THE NIGHT AND MORNING WERE BOTH GOOD.}}

GOD IS THE LIGHT. GOD IS CREATOR. ALL WAS LIGHT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

THEN THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS FELL. THAT IS THE DARKNESS: THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS.

GOD (THE LIGHT) PRE-EXISTED THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS (THE DARKNESS).

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REPEAT!!

GOD IS CREATOR.

FIRST THERE WAS HEAVEN ABOVE... LIGHT... HEAVEN.

THEN THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS FELL... DARKNESS CAME INTO BEING.

THERE WAS HEAVEN AND HELL.

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AFTER THIS GOD CREATED THE GENESIS CREATION.

A little child could understand that. You have refuted nothing. You've just insisted that you cannot comprehend the basics.

We have established that this simple comprehension is beyond you. So, discussion ended.