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Calvinism, explained.
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Funny, they want to pin down Calvinists, but don't want to be pinned down themselves. Seems a bit disingenuous to me...
I disagree on this. More threads are started by anti-Calvinists trying to "take down" Calvinism. They all seem to think they are "uniquely qualified" to do so, and none of them have succeeded in any more than making themselves appear foolish.
I'm all for spreading the Gospel and prayer. I only defend myself if I'm attacked.
On that, I agree whole-heartedly.
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I try to only defend doctrine and God's Word. Too many people think they are being attacked and it takes away from the real issues.
L00k, squirrel!
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I agree with you, but it does not speak well of those who "aren't worried about it." Since I was among those who was not worried about it, I will tell you that I wasn't concerned about it because I wasn't concerned about theology. My Arminian church got me working 2 days after I was saved. They keep you so busy that you don't have time to think about theology, and they sent *me* to go and make disciples when I had not even been made one myself!
I'm so glad that I was was saved from Jacob Arminius and his (unknowing) followers.
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I think I need to clarify. I don't worry about who is correct doctrinally, I'm interested in getting people saved. So the doctrine issues I state my case but don't expect to change minds here.
I know what I believe and why.
Does that answer why I said I don't care. Probably not the best words to have used, but salvation is open to all so I try to lead all
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We all choose them don't we?
But then we're all participating here as well aren't we?
Apparently there's room to do both.
I would also point out that some of the most productive evangelistic concerns in the church were founded by people very much interested in teaching about the doctrines of grace.
"Evangelism Explosion", just as a for instance, was founded and funded by the late Dr. D. James Kennedy. He was one of the most visible and successful proponents of the teaching of Calvinistic doctrines.
I believe that Evangelism Explosion is active in all but about 8 countries on earth now. It is widely considered (along with Campus Crusade for Christ) one of the most effective para-hurch programs to reach the lost in the history of the N.T. church.
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I guess you don't get what I'm saying. I've heard some astonishing things as answers when people have questioned their salvation. I'd rather give Christ than your not chosen or elect.
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I've never heard a Calvinist say that to a person questioning their salvation in the 30 or 40 years I've been closely associated with them.
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OK, but that is not anything I've heard in many years a Calvinist.
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I'll get an "I am an Arminian" tattoo on my forehead if you can show them to me.
(I reserve the right to welsh on that promise if it comes to that.
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Was it really a Arminian church or just a non Calvinist church ? The majority of Western churches are neither, or if you want, a bit of both.
Sounds more like a cult.
Odd statement. Calvinist on this forum have complained of being mis-represented by false statements of what they believe. And here you are, thatbrian, of doing the same.
If you were genuine you could check out for yourself; Jacob Arminius was a committed reformer. He departed only in the doctrine of puppet theory which had grown after Clavin's death. Which is no different than most Calvinists!
Calvinism IN GENERAL is known for being closet puppet theorists - as is evident by so many threads in this forum. Calvinist who do not believe in this say so and, rightly, complain of being misrepresented. So when one of their own misrepresents others it does not look good on Calvinists in general.
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More accurately, in practice, it was a Pelagian church, which most are by default. They would never accept that table, but the theology from pastor to pew was just that.
It's the American evangelical church. When your starting point is that man, in his sinful state, can be reasoned into the Kingdom, you must send the troops out and get as many "in the boat" as possible. There is no need to catechize, as Christianity has been reduced to the "sinner's prayer".
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Arminian but now Pelegian!
Jacob Arminius was a committed reformer. He departed only in the doctrine of puppet theory which had grown after Clavin's death. Which is no different than most Calvinists!
Was Jacob Arminus chosen (in your view)?
Sounds like a cult. My church is nothing like this.
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