Calvinism, explained.

[tulipbee]

No, those who respond are the elect.

A man reaps what he sows, he doesn't sow what he reaps!

God is past, present and future at the same time.

The elects and responding happened at the same time.

 

[tulipbee]

You mean, I take it, that anyone who decides to respond is one of the elect...which negates the meaning of the word "elect." They wouldn't have been elected by anyone to anything.

God knew the elects will respond and
he knew you were going to create your own
made faith to try to earn your own salvation.

If it happens, it happened

 

[Thursday]

God is past, present future at the same time.

The elects and responding happened at the same time.

Wrong. God knows who will respond to his grace because he is outside of time.

A man reaps what he sows. What comes first for a man, reaping or sowing?

 

[nobdysfool]

Abraham was obedient to God.

Do you believe that God would have chosen Abraham if was not obedient?

God chose Abram, revealed Himself to him, and Abram became obedient to God, and God changed his name to Abraham. God didn't choose Abraham because he was obedient, God chose Abraham TO BE obedient.

 

[tulipbee]

Wrong. God knows who will respond to his grace because he is outside of time.

A man reaps what he sows. What comes first for a man, reaping or sowing?

All mankind reapped it but you think you're not really
rotton to your core. The Calvinist admits thier sinners.
You think you have a little goodness left in your evil heart
and able to self salvate yourself.
You boast

 

[Albion]

It negates Calvinist dogma, true.

It (your theory) stands in opposition to Calvinism, that's true.

The bible is clear that our actions determine our eternal destiny, not some divine lottery.

Lottery isn't a very good example, since Election is the opposite of "who knows who will win? Everyone has a chance."

God knows who will respond to his grace, but we don't know.

We all agree to that.

God wants all men to be saved. If our responses were irrelevant, then all would be saved.

No one has said our responses are irrelevant. The Elect will indeed respond appropriately.

But more than that, if you're going to argue that "God wants all men to be saved" is to be understood as a promise, all men WOULD be saved. I haven't noticed you saying that you believe in Universalism, even though that's what you're arguing on behalf of.

 

[Thursday]

God chose Abram, revealed Himself to him, and Abram became obedient to God, and god changed his name to Abraham. God didn't choose Abraham because he was obedient, God chose Abraham TO BE obedient.

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

James 2
20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

 

[Thursday]

All mankind reapped it but you think you're not really
rotton to your core. The Calvinist admits thier sinners.
You think you have a little goodness left in your evil heart
and able to self salvate yourself.
You boast

Will you reap what you sow? How about me?

Do you believe that God makes you obey him, or do you decide to obey or reject his commands?

 

[Thursday]

But more than that, if you're going to argue that "God wants all men to be saved" is to be understood as a promise, all men WOULD be saved. I haven't noticed you saying that you believe in Universalism, even though that's what you're arguing on behalf of.

It's not a matter of what we argue, it is a matter of the word of God. God WANTS ALL MEN TO BE SAVED.

If it was simply a matter of God's election, then all men would be saved.

That's not how it works.

We will be judged for our actions. God wants the wicked to repent and follow his will, but he doesn't force anyone to do so.

 

[Albion]

It's not a matter of what we argue

I can well imagine you saying that--now that I've pointed out what you're actually arguing for.

 

[Thursday]

I can well imagine you saying that--now that I've pointed out what you're actually arguing for.

It's matter of the word of God, which you reject. As a Calvinist, you have no choice.

1 Tim 2:4
3This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, 4who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[Albion]

It's matter of the word of God, which you reject. As a Calvinist, you have no choice.

That doesn't even make sense. I'm not a Calvinist; you don't know what Calvinists believe; and Calvinists have plenty of choices. I can't find anything in that pouty reply on which to continue a discussion, so I'll just leave it at that..

 

[nobdysfool]

John 15:10
If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father's commands and remain in his love.

James 2
20You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is uselessd ? 21Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.

Why do you insist on ignoring the progression of events? When did Abraham believe god? Long before the sacrifice which you allude to as proof. Where did obedience start with Abraham? It started with Abraham believing God. And Abraham obeyed what God told him to do, which was to leave his country and go to the land He would show him.

 

[tulipbee]

Will you reap what you sow? How about me?

Do you believe that God makes you obey him, or do you decide to obey or reject his commands?

All mankind screwed themselves but you really don't believe
Adam and even were kicked out. You don't believe in the bible.

 

[tulipbee]

It's not a matter of what we argue, it is a matter of the word of God. God WANTS ALL MEN TO BE SAVED.

If it was simply a matter of God's election, then all men would be saved.

That's not how it works.

We will be judged for our actions. God wants the wicked to repent and follow his will, but he doesn't force anyone to do so.

God can change his mind and not send anyone to hell but you're not able to convince him of that cause you don't see Jesus. If you don't see Jesus then that means you weren't given to him by God. You were never drawn and you beg at the empty space not to send anyone to hell so you won't have to get on the express bus to hell.

 

[nobdysfool]

It's not a matter of what we argue, it is a matter of the word of God. God WANTS ALL MEN TO BE SAVED.

If it was simply a matter of God's election, then all men would be saved.

That's not how it works.

We will be judged for our actions. God wants the wicked to repent and follow his will, but he doesn't force anyone to do so.

Then perhaps He does not desire that in the way that you assume. Otherwise, He's not doing a very good job of it, if He leaves it up to man to make the choice.

Let's look at it logically. If God wants the wicked to repent and follow His will, but He won't do anything that could be construed as "force", then He's not wanting it as bad as you assume that He does. And given that there's plenty of evidence in Scripture that this will not happen, your understanding of this must be tempered by what all of Scripture says, not just the parts that make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

 

[Thursday]

That doesn't even make sense. I'm not a Calvinist; you don't know what Calvinists believe; and Calvinists have plenty of choices. I can't find anything in that pouty reply on which to continue a discussion, so I'll just leave it at that..

Good idea.

Better choose another man made dogma to defend.

 

[Thursday]

Why do you insist on ignoring the progression of events? When did Abraham believe god? Long before the sacrifice which you allude to as proof. Where did obedience start with Abraham? It started with Abraham believing God. And Abraham obeyed what God told him to do, which was to leave his country and go to the land He would show him.

Faith and works together is what God wants.

Faith without works is dead. Your dogma is out of order.

Jesus said IF we obey his commandments we will remain in his love.

He didn't say that we will obey his commandments BECAUSE we remain in his love.

 

[Thursday]

Then perhaps He does not desire that in the way that you assume. Otherwise, He's not doing a very good job of it, if He leaves it up to man to make the choice.

He's doing a perfect job.

A man reaps what he sows, as God planned.

Your dogma doesn't fit with scripture.

 

[Thursday]

God can change his mind and not send anyone to hell but you're not able to convince him of that cause you don't see Jesus. If you don't see Jesus then that means you weren't given to him by God. You were never drawn and you beg at the empty space not to send anyone to hell so you won't have to get on the express bus to hell.

This is what Calvinism leads to!

Reject it and follow the teachings of Jesus.