Calvinism, explained.

[EmSw]

I most certainly reap what God has sown! I benefit from Christ's completed work on the cross, not from my own efforts. God is NOT mocked by God's sovereign mercy, for God's purposes.

The proof texts you used cannot be reconciled with the rest of Scripture if you use Arminianist thought.

The passage in Galatians does NOT say what God has sown. A MAN reaps what he himself sows.

What God does sow is His Word in the heart of man.

 

[EmSw]

The Arminians theorize that God wasn't sure
if He would change His mind about who is
Elect, so the Lord had to atone for everybody
as sort of a contingency plan !

Just as you aren't sure if God elected you. You have a 50/50 chance today just as you had before the foundation of the world.

 

[Thursday]

I most certainly reap what God has sown!

The bible tells us that YOU reap what YOU sow.

Do you deny this?

 

[Thursday]

The Arminians theorize that God wasn't sure
if He would change His mind about who is
Elect, so the Lord had to atone for everybody
as sort of a contingency plan !

God saves those who cooperate with his grace.

If you reject God's will persistently without repentance until your death you will not be saved.

 

[Thursday]

I have made no mention of men's ability to choose and how these choices are perfectly in line with what God has already preordained, but you can assume what you must to win your argument.

You deny that God has power to save anyone since anyone (potentially everyone) could resist His grace. You deny that God has ANY authority over His domain, being ALL things. You place limit on God's sovereignty, and give power to men in a realm they have no authority over.

God has CHOSEN to give us the capability of loving. Without free will, there is no love.

God's word is quite clear. I would not dismiss it lightly:

Gal 6
7Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8Whoever sows to please their flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; whoever sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life. 9Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Romans 2
6God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.

Matt 7
21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

John 15
6If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned....10If you keep my commands, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commands and remain in his love.

 

[supersoldier71]

The passage in Galatians does NOT say what God has sown. A MAN reaps what he himself sows.

What God does sow is His Word in the heart of man.

Bad proof text: Paul's letter to the Galatians is not an apologetic to unbelievers, it's a sermon to believers. Paul is not talking to a group of unbelieves about how to become saints, he's talking to a group of believers about how to overcome sin. There's a critical distinction because what he is describing is not the path to salvation, but the work involved with the process of sanctification.

MOST of Paul's writings are intended for believers, those whose salvation has already been worked out.

Just as you aren't sure if God elected you. You have a 50/50 chance today just as you had before the foundation of the world.

You keep coming back to that, and I have no idea why. There is nothing 50/50 about anything that I or anyone else has described. First off, 50-50 would describe a system that had some random chance associated with it. 50-50 implies that the Cross was "Plan B" as God had to recover from original sin. 50-50 implies that half of everyone is saved, and half are not.

50-50 is at best, wrong, at worst, a lie.

Individual believers may be sure of their salvation because they know, and more importantly, are known by Jesus Christ. There is no uncertainty in this. Where do you get this idea, and more importantly, Scripture has been given that clearly explains that we do not believe this. It leads me to believe that we are not having an open discussion among believers with the intention of finding mutual understanding, we're arguing and trying to win.

That's neither mutually edifying, nor a productive use of time.

 

[Thursday]

Bad proof text: Paul's letter to the Galatians is not an apologetic to unbelievers, it's a sermon to believers. Paul is not talking to a group of unbelieves about how to become saints, he's talking to a group of believers about how to overcome sin. There's a critical distinction because what he is describing is not the path to salvation, but the work involved with the process of sanctification.

MOST of Paul's writings are intended for believers, those whose salvation has already been worked out.



You keep coming back to that, and I have no idea why. There is nothing 50/50 about anything that I or anyone else has described. First off, 50-50 would describe a system that had some random chance associated with it. 50-50 implies that the Cross was "Plan B" as God had to recover from original sin. 50-50 implies that half of everyone is saved, and half are not.

50-50 is at best, wrong, at worst, a lie.

Individual believers may be sure of their salvation because they know, and more importantly, are known by Jesus Christ. There is no uncertainty in this. Where do you get this idea, and more importantly, Scripture has been given that clearly explains that we do not believe this. It leads me to believe that we are not having an open discussion among believers with the intention of finding mutual understanding, we're arguing and trying to win.

That's neither mutually edifying, nor a productive use of time.

That's a lot of words meant to negate the crystal clear words of scripture.

"A man reaps what he sows" is a warning.

Here's another:

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[supersoldier71]

That's a lot of words meant to negate the crystal clear words of scripture.

"A man reaps what he sows" is a warning.

Here's another:

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Again, he's preaching a sermon, not an apologetic.

Think about the difference before you reply with another specious argument.

 

[Thursday]

Again, he's preaching a sermon, not an apologetic.

Think about the difference before you reply with another specious argument.

You deny the words of Paul's "sermon"? Interesting tactic. Not something I would recommend.

 

[GillDouglas]

That's a lot of words meant to negate the crystal clear words of scripture.

"A man reaps what he sows" is a warning.

Here's another:

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

The passage in Galatians does NOT say what God has sown. A MAN reaps what he himself sows.

What God does sow is His Word in the heart of man.

If men are not Holy and Righteous (Romans 3:10), what do you expect that they would sow and inevitably reap? Unless of course there was some guiding hand that instructed one to do some good in His sight. Hmm..

 

[Thursday]

If men are not Holy and Righteous (Romans 3:10), what do you expect that they would sow and inevitably reap? Unless of course there was some guiding hand that instructed one to do some good in His sight. Hmm..

God's grace enables us to please him. His grace gives us the ability to become sons of God.

 

[GillDouglas]

God's grace enables us to please him. His grace gives us the ability to become sons of God.

And He just walks away, leaving us to figure it out on our own?

 

[ToBeLoved]

That's a lot of words meant to negate the crystal clear words of scripture.

"A man reaps what he sows" is a warning.

Here's another:

1 Cor 6:9
9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

It is not a warning, it is a truth.

Big difference

 

[Thursday]

And He just walks away, leaving us to figure it out on our own?

I've posted dozens of scriptures today. The Calvinists ignore the scriptures and repeat their man made dogmas.

 

[Thursday]

It is not a warning, it is a truth.

Big difference

It is both.

 

[ToBeLoved]

And He just walks away, leaving us to figure it out on our own?

How could you say that God just walks away when He gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit, God Himself.

That is the silliest thing I have heard in a while.

Do you not know God's Word? He says "I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU".

 

[GillDouglas]

How could you say that God just walks away when He gives us the indwelling Holy Spirit, God Himself.

That is the silliest thing I have heard in a while.

Do you not know God's Word? He says "I WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU OR FORSAKE YOU".

Exactly. You've proven the point I was making. Thank you.

 

[ToBeLoved]

And He just walks away, leaving us to figure it out on our own?

That is a big error on the basic tenant of why Christ died. To reconcile us back to Himself and TO LIVE IN US.

This is a basic fundamental of the New Covenant. If you do not understand this, you do not understand what Christ died to give us.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Exactly. You've proven the point I was making. Thank you.

I don't think so. You've shown that you think that God walks away.

You have not shown me anything. I don't know what you think you have shown, but it obviously wasn't clear whatever your point was.

Don't thank me until you understand what Christ has given you.

 

[Thursday]

Exactly. You've proven the point I was making. Thank you.

2 Chron 15:2
The LORD is with you when you are with him. If you seek him, he will allow you to find him, but if you abandon him, he will abandon you.

Romans 11:22
Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.