Calvin quote

[BBAS 64]

This is so twisted. I can quote a multitude of verses saying that belief and repentance comes first, then the new birth."
Acts 16:31
Acts 2:21
John 3:18
John 20:31
Romans 10:10
Mark 16:16

Good Day,

1. Act 16:31 And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

2. Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

3. Joh 3:18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

4. Joh 20:31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

5. Rom 10:10 For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.

6. Mar 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Not seeing those types of statement in any of those texts.

So .. "I can quote a multitude of verses saying that belief and repentance comes first, then the new birth."

I suspect you have others, and these written texts do not contain such an idea at all.

In Him,

Bill

 

[bling]

= God is not all-knowing if he learns anything.

What scriptures would you use for God to know those things that are impossible to know?

 

[Dave L]

What scriptures would you use for God to know those things that are impossible to know?

With God all things are possible.

 

[renniks]

Let’s look at that one.


and after he brought them out, he said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” They said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
— Acts 16:30-31

Where does it say that if he believes that he will be born again?

You don't think saved and born again are the same?

 

[bling]

Which means God learned.

No that is not true. Learning has to do with "time" , if there was some time God did not know and later there is something God does know then He learned something, but zoidar said God knew from the beginning of time so He did not learn it, but knew it. God is outside of time.

 

[renniks]

How would stopping sin affect a relationship? And where can I find that notion in scripture?

Inhibiting your will would make relationship impossible. I can't love unless I'm free to choose love. Kept in a prison of necessity doesn't inspire love. Besides, this world is a test. If we have no freedom, there's nothing to test.

 

[bling]

With God all things are possible.

Would it be possible to make (clone) another Christ since Christ has existed forever?

 

[Hammster]

Yes it is what it means, which is why you still decline to provide a definition. I straight copied & pasted the definition of metanoia from Strong’s concordance.

You gave the definition of repentance. But your use of it was incorrect. We repent of our sins. It’s not going from setting our mind on the flesh to setting our mind on the Spirit.

 

[Hammster]

You don't think saved and born again are the same?

Salvation covers more than just regeneration. It also included justification, which is what happens when we believe.

So I ask, where does the text say that Luke meant regeneration?

 

[Hammster]

Inhibiting your will would make relationship impossible. I can't love unless I'm free to choose love. Kept in a prison of necessity doesn't inspire love. Besides, this world is a test. If we have no freedom, there's nothing to test.

That doesn’t answer the question. I’m a parent. I have tried to protect my children from things that would harm them. I set rules and boundaries, and if it were in my power, they would never be hurt. And they still love me freely.

So how would God stooping Adam from sinning affect the relationship?

Scripture please.

 

[Dave L]

Would it be possible to make (clone) another Christ since Christ has existed forever?

You are asking if it is possible for God to not be perfect? And to change his perfect plan?

 

[Hammster]

You are asking if it is possible for God to not be perfect? And to change his perfect plan?

You know, it’s the “can God make a rock so big He can’t move it” trope.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You gave the definition of repentance. But your use of it was incorrect. We repent of our sins. It’s not going from setting our mind on the flesh to setting our mind on the Spirit.

Here’s my original post

Because everyone has sinned. The determining factor for receiving salvation is repentance (turning towards God and away from sin). A person trying to refrain from sin will fail regardless of whether they are a believer or not but only the believer will receive Christ’s atonement. So the determining factor is repentance.

Here’s the definition of metanoia I provided

Repent (Metanoia)
1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness.

I don’t see a difference in the way I used the word.

 

[Hammster]

Here’s my original post



Here’s the definition of metanoia I provided

Repent (Metanoia)
1) to change one's mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one's mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one's past sins"Repentance (metanoia, 'change of mind') involves a turning with contrition from sin to God; the repentant sinner is in the proper condition to accept the divine forgiveness.

Here’s what you said.
When a person changes from setting his mind from the flesh to setting his mind on the Spirit he has just repented.

That’s not repentance.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's not my theology. God allowed sin, but did not decree or desire it. It was one possibility of many. He did not stop it from happening because he desired relationship more than slaves.

Sin was impossible to avoid with us having free will, but without free will it would be impossible for us to love God.

 

[renniks]

Salvation covers more than just regeneration. It also included justification, which is what happens when we believe.

So I ask, where does the text say that Luke meant regeneration?

You are just trying to get around the obvious implications of the verse.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Here’s what you said.
When a person changes from setting his mind from the flesh to setting his mind on the Spirit he has just repented.

That’s not repentance.

That is repentance. Once he sets his mind on the Spirit he can do what pleases God. He has turned away from the flesh (sin) and turned towards The Spirit (God) How does it not get any more clear than this?

 

[renniks]

That doesn’t answer the question. I’m a parent. I have tried to protect my children from things that would harm them. I set rules and boundaries, and if it were in my power, they would never be hurt. And they still love me freely.

So how would God stooping Adam from sinning affect the relationship?

Scripture please.

There would be zero freedom if God didn't even allow the possibility of a sinful thought. No one naturally loves bondage.

15 The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it. 16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; 17 but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.”

Do you command your children to do things they can't do? Do you command them to do something and then make it impossible for them to do otherwise?

 

[Hammster]

Sin was impossible to avoid with us having free will, but without free will it would be impossible for us to love God.

How was it impossible if God could intervene at any moment?

 

[Hammster]

You are just trying to get around the obvious implications of the verse.

No, I’m asking you to support your claim.