Calvin quote

[renniks]

It’s condemning them for sin. God owes nobody salvation.

That's true, but in Calvin's scheme, God caused them to sin, then punished them for what he caused them to do. That's not a God of justice. That's something Satan would do.

 

[solid_core]

What do you think Paul means in Romans 8:8?


and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
— Romans 8:8

Ok, I give up Your views will stay a secret.

I think it means that living according to our animalistic nature (food, sex, aggression) cannot produce spiritual things that please God.

And by "cannot" I mean its a logical conclusion. Like if you go down you cannot get higher.

 

[Hammster]

That's true, but in Calvin's scheme, God caused them to sin, then punished them for what he caused them to do. That's not a God of justice. That's something Satan would do.

Here we go again. God never caused anyone to sin. Never. Never. Never. (Is that enough nevers?)

 

[Hammster]

Ok, I give up Your views will stay a secret.

I think it means that living according to our animalistic nature (food, sex, aggression) cannot produce spiritual things that please God.

And by "cannot" I mean its a logical conclusion. Like if you go down you cannot get higher.

Maybe you skipped this one.

 

[solid_core]

There’s a young man who is smitten with a young lady. He writes her poetry. He sends her flowers. He serenades her. She’s not interested in him, though. So no matter what he does, he cannot please her.

So she will punish him eternally for it and we will call it justice?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Actually, we are made righteous by faith.

How can you have faith without first turning to God?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Of course it does. But that doesn’t make it pleasing to God because it’s not for His glory.

I just said it’s not pleasing to God.

 

[Hammster]

So she will punish him eternally for it and we will call it justice?

What? You wanted to know how I was using “cannot”. That’s the only reason for that example.

 

[BNR32FAN]

But we are talking about pleasing God. So if it’s not pleasing God, then it’s pointless as far as salvation is concerned. And a reprobate can do more good works then a believer, but he will still be rejected at judgment.

The point I was making was that an unbeliever can do good but it’s not pleasing to God. Obviously if he’s an unbeliever it’s not pertaining to salvation.

 

[Hammster]

How can you have faith without first turning to God?

You must be born again. How else can you please God? Certainly not in the flesh.

 

[Hammster]

The point I was making was that an unbeliever can do good but it’s not pleasing to God. Obviously if he’s an unbeliever it’s not pertaining to salvation.

I was trying to keep with the topic of the OP.

 

[renniks]

Here we go again. God never caused anyone to sin. Never. Never. Never. (Is that enough nevers?)

Doesn't matter how many nevers you put on, when your theology makes it logically impossible for man not to haved sinned.

 

[Hammster]

Doesn't matter how many nevers you put on, when your theology makes it logically impossible for man not to haved sinned.

How does my theology make it logically impossible?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You must be born again. How else can you please God? Certainly not in the flesh.

You can’t be born again until you repent. What do you think the definition of metanoia is?

 

[BBAS 64]

You are unwilling to define what does "cannot" mean.

If its:

a) absolute inability and therefore no individual responsibility and therefore no justice in their punishment

b) relative inability like habits and no good will and therefore individual responsibility and therefore justice in their punishment.

Good Day, Soild_core


The answer is really quite simple:


YLT: Rom 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is enmity to God, for to the law of God it doth not subject itself, for neither is it able; and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.


Can from:


Thayer Definition:

1) to be able, have power whether by virtue of one’s own ability and resources, or of a state of mind, or through favourable circumstances, or by permission of law or custom

2) to be able to do something

3) to be capable, strong and powerful

Part of Speech: verb

A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity


Not able, Not having power, not capable, no resources of the mind, not permitted, no strong nor powerful to do.


Categorically (not) the absolute definitive negative.


In Him,


Bill

 

[Hammster]

You can’t be born again until you repent. What do you think the definition of metanoia is?

You can’t repent until you are born again. Remember, you can’t please God in the flesh. I think we can agree that repentance is pleasing to God.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You can’t repent until you are born again. Remember, you can’t please God in the flesh. I think we can agree that repentance is pleasing to God.

What is the definition of metanoia?

 

[BNR32FAN]

You can’t repent until you are born again. Remember, you can’t please God in the flesh. I think we can agree that repentance is pleasing to God.

The first thing the apostles told people they were trying to convert was repent and believe. They don’t receive the indwelling Holy Spirit until after repentance.

 

[BBAS 64]

K, who is or are the sheep, and who is the goats, and which one are you...?

Whatever is not of faith is sin, and for a person who knows to do a good or righteous or right thing and does not do it every single time and all of the time, every single time, for them it is sin, etc.

Good Day, Neogaia77


Jn 10:15 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.

Jn 10:25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in my Father's name bear witness about me, but you do not believe because you are not among my sheep. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me. I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand. I and the Father are one.”


The reality of being a Sheep:


Jesus lays down his life, believe, hear, He knows them, they follow Him, He give them eternal life, They never perish, no one can snatch them, they are given by the Father to Him.

In Him,
Bill

 

[Hammster]

What is the definition of metanoia?

What does that have to do with my post?