Do calvinists today hold to Calvin's view of Mary's perpetual virginity?
2Timothy2 said:Do calvinists today hold to Calvin's view of Mary's perpetual virginity?
Matthew 12:46 While He was still speaking to the crowds, behold, His mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to Him
Luke 8:19 And His mother and brothers came to Him, and they were unable to get to Him because of the crowd.
Mark 3:31 Then His mother and His brothers arrived, and standing outside they sent word to Him and called Him.
Mark 3:32 A crowd was sitting around Him, and they said to Him, "Behold, Your mother and Your brothers are outside looking for You."
Matthew 13:55 "Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?
Matthew 13:56 "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?"
Acts 1:14 These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Galations 1:19 But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother.
2Timothy2 said:These do not so much say he believed she was a virgin her whole life, but it is very similar to the roman catholic denomination's arguments on this whole subject.
John Calvin:"There have been certain folk who have wished to suggest that from this passage (Matt 1:25) that the Virgin Mary had other children than the Son of God, and that Joseph then dwelt with her later; but what folly this is! For the gospel writer did not wish to record what happened afterwards; he simply wished to make clear Joseph's obedience and to show also that Joseph had been well and truly assured that it was God who had sent His angel to Mary. He had therefore never dwelt with her nor had he shared her company....And besides this Our Lord Jesus Christ is called the first-born. This is not because there was a second or a third, but because the gospel writer is paying regard to the precedence. Scripture speaks thus of naming the first-born whether or not there was any question of the second." (Sermon on Matthew 1:22-25, published 1562.)
Now, I don't know this Pringle person, so take this for what it's worth:
Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ's 'brothers' are sometimes mentioned.(Harmony of Matthew, Mark & Luke, sec. 39 {Geneva, 1562}, vol. 2 / From Calvin's Commentaries, tr. William Pringle, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)
[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called 'first-born'; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. {Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107}
Under the word 'brethren' the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity.{Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, (7:3) }
Behe's Boy said:2Timothy - could you provide a link to your commentary from Calvin?
2Timothy2 said:Do calvinists today hold to Calvin's view of Mary's perpetual virginity?
Elderone said:This Calvinist does not anymore than I believe she is the mother of God.
St.Augustine said:Of course she is the mother of God, she was the mother of Jesus who is God. Yes the Catholics go a little to the extreme but that does not make the truth on which it is founded a lie!
Question: What is God?
Answer: God is a Spirit,a infinite,B eternal,C and unchangeable,D in his being,E wisdom,f power,G holiness,h justice, goodness, and truth.
a. John 4:24., b. Job 11:79., c. Ps. 90:2. d. James 1:17., e. Exod 3:14., f. Ps. 147:5., g. Rev. 4:8., h. Rev. 15:4., i. Exod. 34:67.
Question: How Did Christ, Being the Son of God, Become Man?
Answer: Christ, the Son of God, Became Man, by Taking to Himself a True Body,a and a reasonable soul,B being conceived by the power of the Holy Ghost, in the womb of the Virgin Mary, and born of her,C yet without sin.D
a. Heb. 2:14, 16; 10:5., b. Matt. 26:38., c. Luke 1:27, 31, 35, 42; Gal. 4:4., d. Heb. 4:15; 7:26.
John 2:1 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
Acts 1:14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Elderone said:<snip>
Mary a finite, sinful, person could not give birth to an Infinite, Holy being. She was the mother of Jesus the Man.
Whoa... Jesus's nature, 100% God 100% man cannot be divided in this manner. Surely Mary was not the origination for that which is the deity of Christ, yet at the same time, the person in her womb was never NOT 100% God.
rnmomof7 said:I think that the thing I focus on as a Calvinist is it just does not matter..
Mary, has no part of my salvation .
If she sinned or did not sin has no part of my salvation.
If she has a dozen natural children as a submissive wife to her husbands just does not matter.
My hope is built on nothing less that Jesus Christ MY righteousness.
The problem with the focus on Mary is it forces us to take our eyes off the one that does save
Thank You Jesus !
Elderone said:Absolutely!!!!
It makes you wonder why the Church of Rome put together this whole "Maryology" side show.
Jon_ said:(Mat. 12:48-50 KJV) But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? 49) And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! 50) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.