Caiaphas Quit?

[Trish1947]

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In fact, this [participation in the sacrifices] may be what causes nominial Christianity to finally turn totally against the Messianic believers.

This is really funny..!! Do you MJ's know that Christians think that it will be the Jews after the temple is built will be forced on Christians to do sacrifices.. This is really sad the we distrust each other so much, that we think each other is going down the wrong road. I can hear the laughter of Lucifer now. Not all Christians believe this but alot of them do. So what can we do about it really?

 

[Henaynei]

This is really funny..!! Do you MJ's know that Christians think that it will be the Jews after the temple is built will be forced on Christians to do sacrifices.. This is really sad the we distrust each other so much, that we think each other is going down the wrong road. I can hear the laughter of Lucifer now. Not all Christians believe this but alot of them do. So what can we do about it really?

That truly is strange. Most Christians know so little about and have so little to do with Jews that I admit I can't see how Christians would think any Jew would "force" Christians to do sacrifices..... very strange.... I also admit this is the first *I* have heard of such a view in the "church."

Since I don't know anyone who thinks this way - can you, Trish, suggest something "we can do about it?"

 

[Charlesinflorida]

I really do not believe a temple will be built and sacrifices started before the Millennial Kingdom. The Temple described in Ezekiel should be the next and final Temple to be built at that time.

Charles the mad man in Florida

 

[Higher Truth]

Henny:

It will be the Jewish Levitical Priesthood, and yes, I believe that Messianic Jewish believers, at the very least, will be involved. The non-believing Jewish people will be looking forward, through the sacrifices, toward Messiah's redemption, the believing Jewish people will be looking back, through the sacrifices, toward Messiah's redemption.

In fact, this [participation in the sacrifices] may be what causes nominial Christianity to finally turn totally against the Messianic believers.

HT:

Since Messiah is from the Tribe of Judah, and is the Great High Priest, will He give authority to the Levites to do this, and if not, will believers go against Him by participating? We, as believers, are under His authority according to Scripture.

 

[Trish1947]

That truly is strange. Most Christians know so little about and have so little to do with Jews that I admit I can't see how Christians would think any Jew would "force" Christians to do sacrifices..... very strange.... I also admit this is the first *I* have heard of such a view in the "church."

Since I don't know anyone who thinks this way - can you, Trish, suggest something "we can do about it?"

Alot of Christians know that the temple will be built, and will insist on the sacrifices to reinstututed. But most Christians do not believe that sacrifices should be made since Jesus was the sacrifice. But they go by the scripture that says also, by Jesus, "Those that kill you will think they are doing God a service". Alot think that since this was said, that it will be the main religion of the day that will be killing the Christian. And when the temple is rebuilt it will cause great decent among MJ's and Christians. I have read that alot of MJ"s think the church is the Harlot, the great harlot spoken about, and this is really sad since we have all been Baptised into one Body. What can we do about it. The only thing I personally can do about it, is give my Jesus a break, and do what He said. To love one another. You see, the only ones the Lord is going to be pleased with is those that love until the end.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

That truly is strange. Most Christians know so little about and have so little to do with Jews that I admit I can't see how Christians would think any Jew would "force" Christians to do sacrifices..... very strange.... I also admit this is the first *I* have heard of such a view in the "church."

Since I don't know anyone who thinks this way - can you, Trish, suggest something "we can do about it?"

Charles butts in,

I think what I have heard a great deal from the church folks is that they would consider the Temple sacrifices an abomination to God because it would be an insult to the death and sacrifice of Messiah. I believe that if sacrifices were to begin openly (since the sacrifice of the Passover today goes un-noticed by most) their will be an outcry from the church like has never been heard. Also from the various animal protection societies ect. It would create big friction to the extent that there might be political pressure to stop it. However as I said, I don't think it will happen. (Temple and sacrifices before the return of Messiah.)

Charles, the Nut case of Florida
and bane of the cf

 

[Henaynei]

Henny:

It will be the Jewish Levitical Priesthood, and yes, I believe that Messianic Jewish believers, at the very least, will be involved. The non-believing Jewish people will be looking forward, through the sacrifices, toward Messiah's redemption, the believing Jewish people will be looking back, through the sacrifices, toward Messiah's redemption.

In fact, this [participation in the sacrifices] may be what causes nominial Christianity to finally turn totally against the Messianic believers.

HT:Since Messiah is from the Tribe of Judah, and is the Great High Priest, will He give authority to the Levites to do this, and if not, will believers go against Him by participating? We, as believers, are under His authority according to Scripture.

Yeshua/Elohim gave the Levites the authority to do this at Sinai about 5,000 years ago and said it was a "forever, for all your genreations" command. G-d's "forever" does not change. When there is a Temple the Levites are commanded to renew the sacrifices. This all takes place, likely, well before Messiah's return.

Those better versed in escatology will be better equipped to answer the more detailed questions about exact timings, etc

 

[Charlesinflorida]

I don't think many in the church realize the nature of the sacrifices. With the exception of Yom Kippur, most of the animal sacrifices are for fellowship. Yes blood is sprinkled upon the altar, but the meat is roasted on the altar and eaten before the Lord. It is a time to sit at table with the Lord, (If you will).

Charles the invisible in Florida

 

[Trish1947]

I really do not believe a temple will be built and sacrifices started before the Millennial Kingdom. The Temple described in Ezekiel should be the next and final Temple to be built at that time.

Charles the mad man in Florida

haha, Hi Charles, Your knew signature cracks me up!

 

[Henaynei]

Alot of Christians know that the temple will be built, and will insist on the sacrifices to reinstututed. But most Christians do not believe that sacrifices should be made since Jesus was the sacrifice.

I well understand that this is their view, as it was the view I also once held. It is also why I said that participation in the sacrifices would likely cause the "church" to finally completely turn on Messianic Judaism.

But they go by the scripture that says also, by Jesus, "Those that kill you will think they are doing God a service". Alot think that since this was said, that it will be the main religion of the day that will be killing the Christian.

By the looks of things right now - the dominant religion will either be Islam or New Age - both of which are more than well equipped in their doctrines to undertake killing of Christians and/or Jews as "god's" work.

And when the temple is rebuilt it will cause great decent among MJ's and Christians.

This is likely quite true.....

I have read that alot of MJ"s think the church is the Harlot, the great harlot spoken about, and this is really sad since we have all been Baptised into one Body.

The "church" yes - but not necessarily true Christians.

What can we do about it. The only thing I personally can do about it, is give my Jesus a break, and do what He said. To love one another. You see, the only ones the Lord is going to be pleased with is those that love until the end.

Pray, pray for understanding, wisdom, courage and strength - for us all. These will strengthen love.

 

[Henaynei]

/me likes Charles' new avatar

 

[simchat_torah]

Alot think that since this was said, that it will be the main religion of the day that will be killing the Christian.

Judaism will never be the 'main religion'. Christianity, Islam, New Age... all these have a possibility of becoming the 'main religion'. Currently, Islam holds to this title.

And yes, Islam teaches death to the christian and Jew.


shalom,
yafet

 

[Trish1947]

Judaism will never be the 'main religion'. Christianity, Islam, New Age... all these have a possibility of becoming the 'main religion'. Currently, Islam holds to this title.

And yes, Islam teaches death to the christian and Jew.


shalom,
yafet

Well I guess that if we dont get to planted into our "beliefs" right now, we may all come together someday. This needs to be prayed about continuously I think. We have the same Messiah, and when all the suspecious ranglings about each other are overcome, maybe all we will see is Jesus!!

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the 20th century worlwide and the trend continues.
Once the U.S. has 6.5 million Jews and less than 1 mill. Islamist, as of 1960 census.

Today Jews in US hold off from having children until after establishing carrers and have fewer children. Jewish population is down to 5.25 Mill, meanwhile Islam is 15 mill. Also Islam is packing lots of money and is a powerful lobby in US congressional halls

Charles the idiot

 

[Trish1947]

Islam is the fastest growing religion in the 20th century worlwide and the trend continues.
Once the U.S. has 6.5 million Jews and less than 1 mill. Islamist, as of 1960 census.

Today Jews in US hold off from having children until after establishing carrers and have fewer children. Jewish population is down to 5.25 Mill, meanwhile Islam is 15 mill. Also Islam is packing lots of money and is a powerful lobby in US congressional halls

Charles the idiot

Well if they get to us both that might be the binding tie for us Christians and MJ's.

Charles, stop doing that to yourself. Your not an idiot.

 

[Charlesinflorida]

Joseph was not recognized by his brothers because he had been living in Egypt as a prince. They sold him into Egypt. Joseph is like messiah. His brothers can not recognise him with his gentile appearance in the Church. But there is a time coming when he will reveal himself to them, and they will see that he is also their salvation. Joseph would not reveal who he was until Benyamin was brought before him. Benyamin was not party to selling him into slavery. He is like the Messianic Jews. He is a brother and from the same mother, the first love of Jacob. Messianics are brothers and are still obedeint to torah. When the Messianic Jews, those who believe in Yeshua and are also Torah obedient come out of the shadows and are accepted in Israel, (which they are not now) then Yeshua will be revelaed to the rest of Israel.

The Gentiles who are part of Israel, are like Ephraim and Mennaseh. Joseph is their father but they have a gentile mother, and are not considered full heirs, until Jacob adopts them making them his own sons, making them heads of tribes, and a brother to Joseph (Yeshua). These adopted brothers become full covenant members and obey Gods commandments just like all the other brothers.

CCIF the delusional.

 

[ShirChadash]

yes, I believe that Messianic Jewish believers, at the very least, will be involved.

I feel certain that someday, when the Temple is rebuilt, I will have the oppportunity to be in Jerusalem and I will definitely do whatever is allowable to me, to bring a sacrifice to the Temple. And I will probably endure some type of persecution because of it. I was praying about this very thing, last night, and I feel that this was shown to me in picture form. And I expect that my Abba Father will direct me to do this someday.... Interesting that this was before any of this portion of the thread was written, late last evening as I was praying and journalling. MAN, why is it so hard for me to hit the "submit" button right now?

*donning my teflon long-johns*

 

[ShirChadash]

Zem shares Charles' siggy scripture line


Charles... we love ya, yk?!

 

[Trish1947]

CCIF the delusional.

Count it all Joy Charles when men revile you, persecute you for your faith. I dont believe in calling names, and I know what you are saying. We just have a difference of opinion big time. But there is one thing about you Charles, you have a zeal that is amazing, and truly note worthy. I wish I had as much.

 

[ShirChadash]

But there is one thing about you Charles, you have a zeal that is amazing, and truly note worthy.

AND a kind, gentle, respectful humility in sharing your viewpoint. ~Zeal~ tempered with ~wisdom~; a blessing from Abba.