But We Abort Them

[SkyWriting]

What is a fetus if it isn't a human in baby form? Genetically it is the same as after it is born. It is just in a different developmental stage. It isn't the mother. It is a unique living being

Worthy of adopting or financially supporting the baby for life.

 

[InterestedApologist]

Worthy of adopting or financially supporting the baby for life.

I have heard this argument from the pro-choice side for years now. “If you don’t adopt, you can’t say abortion is wrong”. It sounds good at first, until you realize that the proposed alternative is to snuff out a baby’s life for the sake of convenience.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I looked at Pro-Life groups online and found very few connections. Saving babies lives just is not that important. I used to attend
Pro-Life rallies and events. Shaming and accusing is the focus.

I may be wrong but here is my opinion, I think you might have had some bad experiences with a pro-life group in the past, and because of that, it's clouded your perception of the whole movement in the present. Saving babies should be important to all Christians, regardless of politics, with Churches helping single mothers and low income families trying to raise kids should be equally important, but I can only speak in ideals knowing things often do not work out ideally or even close.

Shaming and accusing just seems to be a common theme in politics from all ends and sides of the spectrum, just look at the situations today, not much has changed.

 

[Thir7ySev3n]

I looked at Pro-Life groups online and found very few connections.
Saving babies lives just is not that important. I used to attend
Pro-Life rallies and events. Shaming and accusing is the focus.

In a place where a woman can legally murder her child without preclusion of external sources, shaming the woman's conscience by accusing her of her crime is a highly practical route. I am subscribed to and have watched many of the videos by Pastor Jeff Durbin (as shown previously in this thread) and many women who he ministers to simply decline the option of adoption. They either don't want to wait or simply don't care. Why? They are shameless.

 

[SkyWriting]

In a place where a woman can legally murder her child without preclusion of external sources, shaming the woman's conscience by accusing her of her crime is a highly practical route. I am subscribed to and have watched many of the videos by Pastor Jeff Durbin (as shown previously in this thread) and many women who he ministers to simply decline the option of adoption. They either don't want to wait or simply don't care. Why? They are shameless.

Ahh..blame. Another prolife tool to avoid helping those in need.
Blame people for their poor decisions and let them murder their
babies becasue caring for women and their situations is hard work.
Shame and blame will save lives? Or is it just more fun.

 

[SkyWriting]

I may be wrong but here is my opinion, I think you might have had some bad experiences with a pro-life group in the past, and because of that, it's clouded your perception of the whole movement in the present. Saving babies should be important to all Christians, regardless of politics, with Churches helping single mothers and low income families trying to raise kids should be equally important, but I can only speak in ideals knowing things often do not work out ideally or even close.

Shaming and accusing just seems to be a common theme in politics from all ends and sides of the spectrum, just look at the situations today, not much has changed.

No, I had great experiences with Pro-Life groups. It was a lot of fun.
Shaming and blaming others and calling them murderer was tearful
for the babies, but great for ego. We felt proud of our name calling
and if we turned even one woman away from a clinic, it justified
all our efforts for years.

How about this as the most weak-kneed protest you can think of?
Pro-life students at 200 high schools to stage walk-out protesting
Imagine how hard it is to get kids to walk out of school in a group!

Anti-abortion protests live on outside Madison Surgery Center
Activist who legally changed his name to 'Prolife' passes away at age 84
Pro-lifers crash Planned Parenthood rally with photos of aborted babies

 

[Thir7ySev3n]

Ahh..blame. Another prolife tool to avoid helping those in need.
Blame people for their poor decisions and let them murder their
babies becasue caring for women and their situations is hard work.
Shame and blame will save lives? Or is it just more fun.

At this point it seems like your trolling.

 

[SkyWriting]

In a place where a woman can legally murder her child without preclusion of external sources, shaming the woman's conscience by accusing her of her crime is a highly practical route.

It is the weakest and least financial commitment route.
So yes, very practical.

 

[SkyWriting]

At this point it seems like your trolling.

My stand is consistent on this topic. Feel free to report any of my posts, anytime.

 

[Thir7ySev3n]

It is the weakest and least financial commitment route.
So yes, very practical.

Your insistent on the responsibility of those against abortion being primarily involved in financially supplying murderers. It is rather the responsibility of the one murdering children to assume responsibility to cease doing so for consciences' sake, i.e., being ashamed of their deeds. Your priorities are backwards.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

It is the weakest and least financial commitment route. So yes, very practical.

Makes room for illegal immigrant mouths to feed I suppose.

 

[Thir7ySev3n]

My stand is consistent on this topic. Feel free to report any of my posts, anytime.

Don't be so sensitive. Just because I am astonished at your odd simplistic view doesn't mean I intend to report you. I consider that immature practice regardless in 99% of cases.

 

[SkyWriting]

Makes room for illegal immigrant mouths to feed I suppose.

Most everyone's grandparents or g-grandparents were immigrants.

 

[SkyWriting]

Don't be so sensitive. Just because I am astonished at your odd simplistic view doesn't mean I intend to report you. I consider that immature practice regardless in 99% of cases.

OK. Sorry I didn't ignore your post. I'll work on that.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Most everyone's grandparents or g-grandparents were immigrants.

Quite a difference between immigrants from hundreds of years ago and immigrants today, difference in population in America for one, another is the difference between legal and illegal immigration. Nobody has issue with legal immigration, but anyway, back to regularly scheduled program.

 

[blackribbon]

Then all Pro-Life advocates and groups would
focus on adoption. But that's inconvenient.
Endless excuses to not actually get involved
(financially) in the lives of others.

The solution is to focus on the evil of the women
making the lethal choices.

ProLife groups don't have to focus on adoptions. There isn't a problem finding people to adopt healthy babies... It isn't a problem that needs to be addressed.

As a pro-life who doesn't belong to any group, I think that killing innocent humans that are alive is wrong. I don't care who does it. Or at what age the innocent is. If a woman doesn't want to have a baby, it is real easy to stop it before it happens. We don't live in the dark ages where birth control isn't available or difficult for either partner who doesn't want to be inconvenienced by the responsibilities of parenthood to make sure they don't become parents.

 

[Halbhh]

While I agree with your sentiment, that aborting children to 'make your life better' is no different from child-sacrifice for gaining the favour of the gods, there is some debate here.

Many child sacrifices in Carthage and Syria-Palestine have been discovered, associated with ancient text referencing it, and using forms of MLK. Whether this should be interpreted as a god Molech is doubtful. It is possible this merely refers to the trinominal root for King (melek) so could refer to any god. It may refer to Melqart of Tyre, too. It is also possible this is a technical name for child sacrifice itself, which is what its use in Carthage for sacrifices to Tanit and Melqart suggest.
So Biblical references mean that perhaps the Hebrews were sacrificing their children to YHWH! Which is why it was even more abhorrent to the prophets.

Wasn't it to pretty much every idol/false god? Baal, moloch, etc. Deuteronomy 12:31. It's the reason God directed the entire wholesale destruction of entire cities, so that every inhabitant, even infants, would be sent on to judgement day where the innocent could be sorted out from the guilty. In the first chapter of the Gospel of Luke, we get a pointer into Malachi, where God said that unless people began loving their children (for instance, that would mean loving them instead of sacrificing them, but more, it would mean loving them as much as ourselves) He could come and totally destroy the land. Or course this isn't referring to birth control or a morning after pill, but truly loving our children.

 

[blackribbon]

I have heard this argument from the pro-choice side for years now. “If you don’t adopt, you can’t say abortion is wrong”. It sounds good at first, until you realize that the proposed alternative is to snuff out a baby’s life for the sake of convenience.

Again, there is NO SHORTAGE OF PEOPLE WANTING to adopt healthy babies. This isn't a crisis or even a small problem. There are lots of couples already approved just waiting for the chance to be called and told there is a baby somewhere needing a family. These are families who are willing to jump through hoop after hoop of scrutiny that biological parents never need to report that they are worthy to anyone.

 

[InterestedApologist]

My stand is consistent on this topic.

Not to me. Could you please clarify in clear terms what your position on abortion is? It would allow others to have a meaningful discussion with you without having to make assumptions.

 

[blackribbon]

Worthy of adopting or financially supporting the baby for life.

Again, you don't post in full sentences so it is hard to figure out what you are saying.

Yes, babies are all worthy of adopting or financially supporting. What are you trying to say? That if I don't adopt them, they won't have a good place to live? There are plenty of good homes for healthy babies. I actually to facilitate helping single mothers who do decide to keep their babies and raise their originally unwanted babies. That is part of my job...to teach unprepared new parents how to be parents.