BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

[keras]

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:
Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13

The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7

The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:29

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:
Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.

Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.

2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.

3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7

This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen.

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9
Revelation 20 mentions a thousand year period after Jesus Returns; 6 times.

The thousand years will be the Sabbath period, the last tranche of the 7000 year time for God’s Plan for mankind to be completed.

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:
Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

6/ A new Temple:
Those who say: We Christians are the Temple of God, - are correct for this 2000 year Church age. That truth does not preclude a new Temple being built in Jerusalem.

Men will come from far away to build it, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9. Ezekiel 40 to 43:17, specifies the construction of it.

7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:
True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.

Isaiah 56:1-8….Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar….

8/ Jewish Israelis own the holy Land:
They now have control of a small part of the holy Land, but they are in apostasy and punishment is Prophesied – with only a Christian remnant surviving. Romans 9:27

Jesus said: the Kingdom is taken from you and given to the peoples who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 I will uproot the evil neighbours and Judah too; I will uproot. Only those who follow the Way of Life, can live there. Jeremiah 12:14

I will give the Land to new owners…..Jeremiah 8:1-13 My chosen ones will live there Isaiah 65:9

9/ We Christians are conscious after death:
The dead know nothing; Eccl 9;5-6, and cannot praise God. Psalms 115:17

David sleeps in his grave ….. Acts 13:36

Only after the Millennium, at the Great White Throne Judgment, everyone who has ever lived will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15 In a Spiritually aware state

10/ The Anti-Christ [beast] will be a Jew, he will purport to be the Messiah;
Nahum 1:11 From you Assyria, comes a wicked councillor, one who plots evil against the Lord. 2 Thess 2:4 He will sit in the Temple, demanding worship of himself; or the penalty of death. Revelation 13:8

11/ The Return of Jesus will be like a thief;- unexpected:
This belief is extremely presumptuous and is downright disgusting.

Jesus will Return in glory; with the trumpet blast of God, 1 Thess 4:16 and be seen by all. Revelation 1:7, Rev 19:11-21

The unexpected Day, will be the terrible Day the Lord sends Hs fiery wrath, which will come without warning, shocking everyone and changing the world. Rev 6:11-17



12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

Terrible signs in the sky with the seas roaring and surging, people will be terrified and not know which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26 & 35, it will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen; you peoples …the Lord ‘s anger is against all the nations. He gives them over to slaughter and destruction. The heavens will be rolled up, Revelation 6:14, and the mountains moved. For the Lord has a Day of vengeance with His Sword of retribution. Hebrews 10:27 & 30



In order for us to be prepared for the dramatic and testing times ahead we should be sure of what the Lord has told us, thru His Prophets. For the faithful and ready people, who know what to expect, it will be bearable. But to many the shock and terror may be unbearable.

Keraz

 

[Clare73]

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:
Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13
The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7
The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:2

The church (people of God) are caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the resurrection of all mankind at the end of time (1 Th 4:16-17).

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:
Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.
Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.
2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.
3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7
This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen.

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9

The Kingdom is here now (Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20).
We are reigning with Jesus Christ now (Eph 2:6).

 

[keras]

The church (people of God) are caught up to meet the Lord in the air at the resurrection of all mankind at the end of time (1 Th 4:16-17).

Yes, but Jesus has come from heaven and is Returning to Jerusalem. THEN He will reign for a thousand years. Isaiah 2:1-4

The Kingdom is here now (Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20).
We are reigning with Jesus Christ now (Eph 2:6).

Reality check: -
The Kingdom is here Spiritually, to come physically after Jesus Returns.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, but Jesus has come from heaven and is Returning to Jerusalem. THEN He will reign for a thousand years. Isaiah 2:1-4

Reality check: -
The Kingdom is here Spiritually, to come physically after Jesus Returns.

That's personal interpretation of prophetic riddles (dark sayings, Nu 12:6-8) subject to more than one interpretation. . .

We find nothing in NT apostolic teaching (Lk 7:20-21) of Christ (Lk 10:16) regarding a physical Kingdom.
The kingdom of God does not come with observation.
The Kingdom of God is spiritual and within.

 

[keras]

2 Timothy 3:1-17 Remember, the final age of this world is to be a time of turmoil! People will love nothing but self and money, they will be boastful, arrogant and abusive. Disobedient to parents, devoid of gratitude, piety and natural affection. They will be uncontrolled in their violence, hating all goodness, perfidious, foolhardy and self important. They will love their pleasures more than their God. While preserving the outward form of religion, actually, they deny its power. Have nothing to do with them.

Persecution will indeed come to everyone who wants to lead a godly life as a follower of Christ Jesus, while evil doers and imposters will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But for your part, stand by the truths you have learned and are assured of, because you are familiar with the Holy scriptures which have the power to make you wise and lead you into salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.

All inspired scripture has its use for teaching the truth, refuting error and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be capable and equipped for good works of every kind.

2 Timothy 4:1-5 Before God and before Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, I charge you solemnly by His coming appearing and Millennial reign – to proclaim the gospel, press it home, in season and out of season, use argument, reproof and encouragement with all the patience that teaching requires.

For the time will come when people will not stand sound teaching, but each will follow his own ideas and will gather crowds to hear whatever they fancy. They will stop their ears to the truth and turn aside to myths.

But, you must keep your head whatever happens; put up with hardship, work to spread the gospel and discharge all the duties of your calling.

1 Timothy 1:3-11 I asked you, Timothy, to instruct certain people to refrain from teaching erroneous doctrines and devoting themselves to interminable myths and fruitless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculations that do nothing to further God’s plan for humans, that works through faith in Him. The goal of this Command is love, which comes from a pure heart, a good conscience and a genuine faith. Through a lack of these attributes, some have gone astray into a plethora of theories and false notions. They set out to be teachers of the Law, but they do not know what they are talking about or the true meaning of the Word.

We all know the Law is a good thing, if it is used properly, it’s there not just for the righteous, but is necessary for the lawless and sinful, the godless and worldly, the murderers and fornicators, perverts, liars, perjurers, in fact all whose behaviour flouts the glorious Gospel of God. REBible.



The end of this era, will be a time of turmoil, Paul may be referring to the Tribulation period, but we have for the last 100 years experienced many wars and disasters. Matt. 24:6-8

Persecution will come to everyone who follows Jesus, Hebrews 12:8 This totally refutes any ‘pre-trib/wrath rapture to heaven’. 1 Peter 4:12 However, the faithful Christians will be taken to a place of safety during the Great Tribulation. Revelation 12:14

While preserving the outward form of religion, they deny its power. Many, so called Christian Churches have deviated so far from the true Gospel, they are no longer a Church of God. Isaiah 58, Jude 1-25, Revelation 3:14-22

The time has come when people refuse sound teaching, they believe false theories, ignore, allegorise or place Bible prophecy into past history, so have no proper understanding of what will happen soon. Isaiah:29:13-14, Isaiah 30:8-11

False teachers are more prevalent than ever, promoting their erroneous doctrines. Ministries, TV shows, books, etc, on the end times are a big business. Their judgement comes, false teachers will all meet their end on the Day of wrath. Jer.14:13-16, Isaiah 56:9-12

 

[keras]

Isaiah 42:9 The earlier prophecies have come to pass, now I declare new things:

Isaiah 42:10-12 Sing a new song to the Lord, sing His praises throughout the world, you that sail the seas and you that inhabit the coasts and islands. Let the wilderness settlements rejoice in Kedar and Sela.

Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself and kept silence, but now I cry out like a woman in labour. Now I shall lay waste to the hills and dry up the watercourses. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, He will raise the battle cry and triumph over His enemies.

Isaiah 42:16-24 You that are deaf, hear now, look you blind and see! Who is as blind as the one who has My trust, so deaf as the servant of the Lord? You have seen much but perceived little, your ears are open, but you hear nothing. I shall lead the blind along paths they do not know, making smooth the way, but those who trust in idols will be turned back in shame. It pleased the Lord to further His justice, to make His Law great. Yet, here is a people taken as spoil and plundered, all hidden away with no hope of rescue. Who will pay heed to this? Who was it that handed Israel over? Who gave up Israel for spoil? It was the Lord, against whom they sinned for they refused obedience to His Laws.

Isaiah 42 :25 So, onto Jacob He poured His wrath. The flames of God’s wrath burned him, yet still they did not take it to heart.

Isaiah 43:1-2 But now, Jacob, this is the word of the Lord, of Him who created you: When you pass through waters, I will be with you. When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched.

Isaiah 43:3-4 I am the Holy One of Israel, your Deliverer. Because I love you, I will give other peoples as ransom for your life.

Isaiah 43:5-7 Have no fear, for I am with you. I shall bring your descendants from the East and West. From the North and South and the ends of the earth, everyone who bears My name, all who I have made for My glory.

Isaiah 43:8 Lead out those who are blind – a people who have eyes, but cannot see, who have ears, but cannot hear.

Isaiah 43:9 The nations are gathered. Which of them foretold former things? Or can interpret this for us? Let them prove their case, so we can see if it is true.

Isaiah 43:10-13 You are My witnesses, says the Lord. You are My servants, chosen by Me, so that you may understand that I am God alone. I am the Lord and I alone am your Deliverer. What I do, no one can undo. Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged



42:10-12 All those who love the Lord, throughout the world – get ready to praise Him for their deliverance.

42:13-15 The Lord has restrained Himself, but soon He will act in the world. Psalms 50:1-6

42:16-17 His People, righteous Christians, the Israelites of God, will be led into the Promised Land. Anyone who revolts and rebels cannot enter. Ezekiel 20:37-38

42:18-20 & 43:8 The Lord’s servants are unable to understand prophecy or foresee His plans for them. Jeremiah 4:22, Jeremiah 6:10 That is how God wants it.

42:22-25 His people, the faithful Christians, are scattered among the nations by the Lord, as punishment for the sins of their spiritual forefathers 2 Kings 23:27, Galatians 3:26-29

43:1-7 But now, when the Lord sends His vengeance and fiery wrath, the Lord will protect His faithful people. . They will be gathered into the Promised Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Isaiah 35,, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 The unbelievers of Israel, will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38

43:9-13 The other nations are ignorant of the Lord’s plans. The faithful Christians are His witnesses and servants chosen by Him, so they will know God and spread the Gospel of the soon to come, Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10

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[Clare73]

Isaiah 42:9 The earlier prophecies have come to pass, now I declare new things:
Isaiah 42:10-12 Sing a new song to the Lord, sing His praises throughout the world, you that sail the seas and you that inhabit the coasts and islands. Let the wilderness settlements rejoice in Kedar and Sela.
Isaiah 42:13-15 Long have I restrained Myself and kept silence, but now I cry out like a woman in labour. Now I shall lay waste to the hills and dry up the watercourses. The Lord will go forth as a warrior, He will raise the battle cry and triumph over His enemies.
Isaiah 42:16-24 You that are deaf, hear now, look you blind and see! Who is as blind as the one who has My trust, so deaf as the servant of the Lord? You have seen much but perceived little, your ears are open, but you hear nothing. I shall lead the blind along paths they do not know, making smooth the way, but those who trust in idols will be turned back in shame. It pleased the Lord to further His justice, to make His Law great. Yet, here is a people taken as spoil and plundered, all hidden away with no hope of rescue. Who will pay heed to this? Who was it that handed Israel over? Who gave up Israel for spoil? It was the Lord, against whom they sinned for they refused obedience to His Laws.

Isaiah 42 :25 So, onto Jacob He poured His wrath. The flames of God’s wrath burned him, yet still they did not take it to heart.

Isaiah 43:1-2 But now, Jacob, this is the word of the Lord, of Him who created you: When you pass through waters, I will be with you. When you walk through fire, you will not be scorched.

Isaiah 43:3-4 I am the Holy One of Israel, your Deliverer. Because I love you, I will give other peoples as ransom for your life.

Isaiah 43:5-7 Have no fear, for I am with you. I shall bring your descendants from the East and West. From the North and South and the ends of the earth, everyone who bears My name, all who I have made for My glory.

Isaiah 43:8 Lead out those who are blind – a people who have eyes, but cannot see, who have ears, but cannot hear.

Isaiah 43:9 The nations are gathered. Which of them foretold former things? Or can interpret this for us? Let them prove their case, so we can see if it is true.

Isaiah 43:10-13 You are My witnesses, says the Lord. You are My servants, chosen by Me, so that you may understand that I am God alone. I am the Lord and I alone am your Deliverer. What I do, no one can undo. Reference: Revised English Bible, some verses abridged



42:10-12 All those who love the Lord, throughout the world – get ready to praise Him for their deliverance.

42:13-15 The Lord has restrained Himself, but soon He will act in the world. Psalms 50:1-6

42:16-17 His People, righteous Christians, the Israelites of God, will be led into the Promised Land. Anyone who revolts and rebels cannot enter. Ezekiel 20:37-38

42:18-20 & 43:8 The Lord’s servants are unable to understand prophecy or foresee His plans for them. Jeremiah 4:22, Jeremiah 6:10 That is how God wants it.

42:22-25 His people, the faithful Christians, are scattered among the nations by the Lord, as punishment for the sins of their spiritual forefathers 2 Kings 23:27, Galatians 3:26-29

43:1-7 But now, when the Lord sends His vengeance and fiery wrath, the Lord will protect His faithful people. . They will be gathered into the Promised Land. Zechariah 10:8-10, Isaiah 35,, Ezekiel 34:11-16, Romans 9:24-26 The unbelievers of Israel, will not. Ezekiel 20:34-38

43:9-13 The other nations are ignorant of the Lord’s plans. The faithful Christians are His witnesses and servants chosen by Him, so they will know God and spread the Gospel of the soon to come, Kingdom of Jesus. Isaiah 66:19, 1 Peter 2:9-10

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The new heavens and new earth, the home of righteousness, is the future kingdom.

 

[keras]

The new heavens and new earth, the home of righteousness, is the future kingdom.

Plainly there will be a Kingdom of Jesus and then for Eternity - the Kingdom of God the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:24-25

 

[Clare73]

Plainly there will be a Kingdom of Jesus and then for Eternity - the Kingdom of God the Father. 1 Corinthians 15:24-25

In the apostolic teaching (1 Co 15:25, 28) of Christ (Lk 10:16)

the kingdom of Jesus is now, during time (Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20), where he is
1) now reigning until he puts all enemies under his feet (1 Co 15:25),
2) then the Son himself being made subject to him who put everything under him (1 Co 15:28)
so that God may be everything to everyone (all in all).

 

[keras]

In the apostolic teaching (1 Co 15:25, 28) of Christ (Lk 10:16)

the kingdom of Jesus is now, during time (Mt 12:28, Lk 11:20), where he is
1) now reigning until he puts all enemies under his feet (1 Co 15:25),
2) then the Son himself being made subject to him who put everything under him (1 Co 15:28)
so that God may be everything to everyone (all in all).

Ther Kingdom is here now; Spiritually.
To come physically after Jesus Returns; Isaiah 2:1-4, Isaiah 65:18-21, Zechariah 14:16-21

 

[Clare73]

Ther Kingdom is here now; Spiritually.
To come physically after Jesus Returns; Isaiah 2:1-4, Isaiah 65:18-21, Zechariah 14:16-21

My interpretation of prophetic riddles not spoken clearly (Nu 12:6-8) interprets prophecy in agreement with NT apostolic teaching of Christ (Lk 10:16), where -
Isa 2:1-4 - the mountain of the Lord is figurative of fulfillment in the church (Heb 12:22),
Isa 65:18-21 - figurative of the new creation in Christ (Eph 3:9),
Zec 14:16-21 - figurative of the gospel church.

 

[keras]

What the Word says:

It is a very sad fact that some people in the church, including the leadership, no longer accept the authority of the Bible. When we pick and choose the Scriptures, it means we miss out on the whole plan of God for this world. In our blindness, we no longer see the deceptions that surround us on every side. We do not see the ultimate aim of Islam, nor do we realize that the world is headed for a battle between God and the forces of evil.
Many people remain ignorant of the Word of God because they have turned instead to human wisdom and the traditions of mankind. Mark 7:13

Among many Christians, the prophetic Scriptures have been labelled “best left alone”, consequently the Church generally has a very incomplete and often incorrect picture of things to come.
Unfortunately, many Christians live almost exclusively by the New Testament and they spiritualize nearly everything in the Old. The whole world of the Middle East with its Jews and Muslims, has become shrouded in mystery – remote and out of mind. The idea that God has a plan, still uncompleted for His people and the Land, is incomprehensible.

Faulty exegesis of the Biblical promises concerning who exactly constitute the real descendants of Abraham, in God’s sight; has led many Christians astray. Having had little teaching on the prophetic Scriptures, they are extremely confused about God’s dealings with the Jews: the House of Judah, currently in the holy Land. The House of Israel: the 10 tribes, taken into captivity by the Assyrians and lost to world knowledge, but who are now mainly the Western, Christian peoples, versus the descendants of Ishmael: the Arab and related peoples.

God promised to Abraham that Ishmael would become a great people and receive blessings and He kept that promise. Genesis 17:20 [The Arab nations and their oil wealth]
Sadly, Ishmael’s descendants did not remain faithful to Abraham’s God, instead they went their own way and by the time of Mohammad, they had 365 “gods”. Mohammad chose one of these, Allah, to be the ‘one true god’, whom he considered to be the giver of the promises to Ishmael.

Church preaching and teaching that does not see the rescue and settling of ALL of the faithful Israelites of God; now every born again Christian, into all of the Promised Land, causes uncertainty and confusion about the future. Just as traditional theology prevented the Jews in 30AD from recognizing their Messiah, so much doctrine today obscures the signs of our times. God clearly says that He will bless His people, now the Christian Israelites of God and over forty prophecies detail their gathering into all that area that He gave to Abraham, so long ago. That this amazing migration and settling happens before the Return of Jesus, to commence His Millennium reign, is clear by the tasks that they are given in order to prepare themselves and the world for that event.

The prophet Daniel, tells us that God’s Holy people are present in the Land at the time the Anti-Christ comes them and places his image in the Third Temple. Daniel 11:30-35, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

Ref; logostelos.info

 

[Clare73]

What the Word says:

It is a very sad fact that some people in the church, including the leadership, no longer accept the authority of the Bible. When we pick and choose the Scriptures, it means we miss out on the whole plan of God for this world. In our blindness, we no longer see the deceptions that surround us on every side. We do not see the ultimate aim of Islam, nor do we realize that the world is headed for a battle between God and the forces of evil.
Many people remain ignorant of the Word of God because they have turned instead to human wisdom and the traditions of mankind. Mark 7:13

Among many Christians, the prophetic Scriptures have been labelled “best left alone”, consequently the Church generally has a very incomplete and often incorrect picture of things to come.
Unfortunately, many Christians live almost exclusively by the New Testament and they spiritualize nearly everything in the Old. The whole world of the Middle East with its Jews and Muslims, has become shrouded in mystery – remote and out of mind. The idea that God has a plan, still uncompleted for His people and the Land, is incomprehensible.

Faulty exegesis of the Biblical promises concerning who exactly constitute the real descendants of Abraham, in God’s sight; has led many Christians astray. Having had little teaching on the prophetic Scriptures, they are extremely confused about God’s dealings with the Jews: the House of Judah, currently in the holy Land. The House of Israel: the 10 tribes, taken into captivity by the Assyrians and lost to world knowledge, but who are now mainly the Western, Christian peoples, versus the descendants of Ishmael: the Arab and related peoples.

God promised to Abraham that Ishmael would become a great people and receive blessings and He kept that promise. Genesis 17:20 [The Arab nations and their oil wealth]
Sadly, Ishmael’s descendants did not remain faithful to Abraham’s God, instead they went their own way and by the time of Mohammad, they had 365 “gods”. Mohammad chose one of these, Allah, to be the ‘one true god’, whom he considered to be the giver of the promises to Ishmael.

Church preaching and teaching that does not see the rescue and settling of ALL of the faithful Israelites of God; now every born again Christian, into all of the Promised Land, causes uncertainty and confusion about the future. Just as traditional theology prevented the Jews in 30AD from recognizing their Messiah, so much doctrine today obscures the signs of our times. God clearly says that He will bless His people, now the Christian Israelites of God and over forty prophecies detail their gathering into all that area that He gave to Abraham, so long ago. That this amazing migration and settling happens before the Return of Jesus, to commence His Millennium reign, is clear by the tasks that they are given in order to prepare themselves and the world for that event.

The prophet Daniel, tells us that God’s Holy people are present in the Land at the time the Anti-Christ comes them and places his image in the Third Temple. Daniel 11:30-35, Daniel 7:25, Revelation 13:7, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

Ref; logostelos.info

Prophecy is given in riddles (dark sayings, Nu 12:6-8), which are subject to more than one interpretation.
My interpretation is not in disagreement with NT apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16).

 

[keras]

Prophecy is given in riddles (dark sayings, Nu 12:6-8), which are subject to more than one interpretation.
My interpretation is not in disagreement with NT apostolic teaching (1 Th 4:16-17) of Jesus Christ (Lk 10:16).

Any interpretation must be possible and not contradict other Scriptures.
There cannot be a 'rapture to heaven', as many verses say such a thing is impossible. John 3:13, +

 

[Clare73]

Any interpretation must be possible and not contradict other Scriptures.
There cannot be a 'rapture to heaven', as many verses say such a thing is impossible. John 3:13, +

None of which you present. . .

Jn 3:13 - "no one has ever gone into heaven". . .before the cross

2 Co 12:1-4 - Paul was caught up to Paradise and heard surpassingly great revelations. . .after the cross.

So Paul lied?

 

[keras]

None of which you present. . .

Jn 3:13 - "no one has ever gone into heaven". . .before the cross

2 Co 12:1-4 - Paul was caught up to Paradise and heard surpassingly great revelations. . .after the cross.

So Paul lied?

Sorry, this is irrational, best for me to leave you in your beliefs.

 

[Garrett.theo]

Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

To say that the 6th seal commences all the end time prophecies is incorrect. In fact, few prophetic events occur after it. This is because the 6th seal corresponds with the return of The Lord as confirmed by Jesus' own words, seen below.

Jesus' Words​

6th Seal​

“Immediately after the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ ‘Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.’” – Matthew 24:29-30​

“I watched as he opened the sixth seal… The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?’” – Revelation 6:12-13, 15-17​

Furthermore, if we look closer at the wording of the 6th seal we'll also see that it corresponds with the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl, as shown below.

7th Trumpet​	6th Seal​	7th Bowl​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.” – Revelation 11:15,19​	“I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.” – Revelation 6:12-14​	“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18,20-21​

Not only do we see that the heavens are opened up in the 6th seal, which corresponds with language found in the 7th trumpet, but we also see that the 6th seal depicts the mountains and islands being destroyed, as seen in the 7th bowl vison. Not to mention, each of these prophetic visons also depict an earthquake, further linking them together!

If you take a closer look at the phrase "flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder," you may remember that it comes from a passage found earlier in scripture, where John is describing the physical appearance of Jesus on the throne in Heaven. That passage is found in Revelation 4, and it reads:

“… there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder…In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures…Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

’You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.’” — Revelation 4:2b-5a,6a,9–11

This very phrase confirms that Jesus is physically present on earth in the visions of the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl--meaning they also mark his return to earth. That being said, the previous 6 trumpets and bowls must have preceded the 6th seal!

 

[keras]

To say that the 6th seal commences all the end time prophecies is incorrect. In fact, few prophetic events occur after it. This is because the 6th seal corresponds with the return of The Lord as confirmed by Jesus' own words, seen below.

The Sixth Seal and the glorious Return are 2 very different events.
ALL of Revelation from 7:1 to Rev 19:11, must take place before Jesus Returns.

Furthermore, if we look closer at the wording of the 6th seal we'll also see that it corresponds with the 7th trumpet and the 7th bowl, as shown below.

There may be similarities, but not enough to conflate all 3 , into one event.
Obviously the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls cannot happen until all the Seals are opened.

This very phrase confirms that Jesus is physically present on earth in the visions of the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl--meaning they also mark his return to earth. That being said, the previous 6 trumpets and bowls must have preceded the 6th seal!

Jesus does not Return until the 6th & 7th Bowls, which are Armageddon, Revelation 16:12-18

Your ideas constitute a serious reshuffling of Revelation. Not a wise thing to do.

 

[Garrett.theo]

The Sixth Seal and the glorious Return are 2 very different events.
ALL of Revelation from 7:1 to Rev 19:11, must take place before Jesus Returns.

Jesus' own words illustrate that he was talking about his return to earth in Matthew 24:30, as seen in red. When we compare Jesus' words with the description of the 6th seal, we can conclude that the 6th seal is depicting the very scene Jesus illustrated! Not only do they share language that confirms the return of The Lord, but they also share the same imagery of the sun, moon, and stars being destroyed. Therefore, Jesus' glorious return corresponds with the opening of the 6th seal! The side-by-side comparison with Jesus' own words confirm this to be true!

Jesus' Words​

6th Seal​

“Immediately after the distress of those days ‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ ‘Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.’” – Matthew 24:29-30​

“I watched as he opened the sixth seal… The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, ‘Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can withstand it?’” – Revelation 6:12-13, 15-17​

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There may be similarities, but not enough to conflate all 3 , into one event.
Obviously the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls cannot happen until all the Seals are opened.

Jesus does not Return until the 6th & 7th Bowls, which are Armageddon, Revelation 16:12-18

Here's another way of looking at it. Since we both agree that the 7th bowl marks the return of The Lord, we can examine it's wording to see exactly why that is. Revelation 16:17-18a tells us

"The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake."

If you recall from my previous post (#17), the phrase "flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder," is found in an earlier part of Revelation and is used to describe Jesus' physical appearance, as seen below:

“… there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder…In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures…Whenever the living creatures give glory, honor and thanks to him who sits on the throne and who lives for ever and ever, the twenty-four elders fall down before him who sits on the throne and worship him who lives for ever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say:

’You are worthy, our Lord and God,
to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things,
and by your will they were created
and have their being.’” — Revelation 4:2b-5a,6a,9–11

Being that the phrase "flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder" is used to describe Jesus' physical appearance, we can therefore understand that when we read the same phrase in the description of the 7th bowl, it must also be denoting that Jesus is physically back on earth. Consequentially, this also means when we read that same phrase in the 7th trumpet, it must also be denoting the same thing, as highlighted in red.

7th Trumpet​	7th Bowl​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.” – Revelation 11:15,19​	“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18,20-21​

Jesus' physical presence seen side-by-side across these two passages tells us that the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl are undoubtedly describing the same event! This is further evidenced by the fact that both of these visions share depictions of an earthquake and hailstorms!

Since these passages depict the return of The Lord, it must also make sense that they, too, correspond with the opening of the 6th seal, which is depicting the very same thing, as referenced above and highlighted below.

7th Trumpet​	6th Seal​	7th Bowl​
“The seventh angel sounded his trumpet,… Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.” – Revelation 11:15,19​	“I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.” – Revelation 6:12-14​	“The seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and out of the temple came a loud voice from the throne, saying, “It is done!” Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake… Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found. From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds, fell on people.” – Revelation 16:17-18,20-21​

The language the 6th seal borrows from the 7th trumpet and 7th bowl tell us that these events are all connected! Furthermore, it wouldn't make sense to say the 6th seal comes before the 7th bowl because they both depict the islands and mountains being destroyed!

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Your ideas constitute a serious reshuffling of Revelation. Not a wise thing to do.

I'm not reshuffling Revelation, I'm putting it in order by connecting patterned language! Everybody does this in some way, shape, or form to better understand scripture and the order of prophetic events.

 

[Clare73]

Sorry, this is irrational, best for me to leave you in your beliefs.

It is incorrect that no one can go into heaven, for Paul did (2 Co 12:1-4).

It is correct that the catching up of the saints is not into heaven, it is to meet the Lord in the air at the second coming.