Business Values

[Defensor Fidei]

Keep your business clean and healthy. Don't get complacent and start giving up your Christian principles just to avoid confrontation with homosexual bully groups and/or the tyrannical government.

Do not be afraid to ask and be certain that no applicants are perverts who will degrade your environment if hired.

 

[variant]

I have several businesses, my organisation has a certain value system that is in line with my christian belief (I think this is why my business has taken off so well).

DO you think that if I do not hire homosexuals because they are not the people I want to be around, or the type of image I want my company to portray in my small (everyone knows everyone else)conservative society because it could mean losing valued customers......should I be obligated to hire them?

If you feel someone would cause your buisness harm, pragmatism dictates that it is ok to think of the buisness first before tolerance.

Otherwise:

Well assuming you consider Homosexuality a sin, and assuming that they wouldn’t simply cause direct harm to your business (otherwise I would assume you simply wouldn’t hire them based on pragmatism).

Do you refuse to hire people for other sins if they do not interfere with your business?

If so, which ones and why?

Personally I don't consider it my job to judge peoples morality when I deal with them in business, if it doesn’t directly affect the business at hand. That would simply be me trying to impose my view of God/Morality onto them for the distinct purpose of controlling them.

 

[Lynden1000]

Keep your business clean and healthy. Don't get complacent and start giving up your Christian principles just to avoid confrontation with homosexual bully groups and/or the tyrannical government.

Do not be afraid to ask and be certain that no applicants are perverts who will degrade your environment if hired.

Asking someone if they are a homosexual is a great way to get sued. Christian businesses that adopt that practice will soon find themselves sued right out of business.

Then again, that might not be such a bad thing...

I say go for it

 

[JesusWalks78]

Thanks everyone for the replies.

Let me start by saying I do hire homosexuals, have a few transvestites working in my catering and my cleaning company, their are some places where it would adversly affect my business only because Fiji is such a small place. It is also because Fiji is such a small place that you dont have to ask who is Gay....everyone just knows. I have tried to fill them in where I can, where society will accept them and it will not adveresly affect the reputation I have built for my company.

I understand the 4Ps...but in the end itis also a cultural thing, and in aspects of culture one must remeber a mere 200 years ago the Fijian people were still living in the stone age....I mean stone age literally.

It is difficult for a homosexual to find work here, damn near impossible, I have tried to help as many as I could which is my christian duty, but I cant help them all....many are driven to prostitution, I would say a large percentage of the gay population.

 

[quatona]

I have several businesses, my organisation has a certain value system that is in line with my christian belief (I think this is why my business has taken off so well).

DO you think that if I do not hire homosexuals because they are not the people I want to be around, or the type of image I want my company to portray in my small (everyone knows everyone else)conservative society because it could mean losing valued customers......should I be obligated to hire them?

If someone doesn´t like Catholics (or Christians in general) around, or they don´t fit the image he wants his company to be portrayed in...should he be obligated to hire them?

 

[JesusWalks78]

If someone doesn´t like Catholics (or Christians in general) around, or they don´t fit the image he wants his company to be portrayed in...should he be obligated to hire them?

I dont think that he should.

 

[quatona]

I dont think that he should.

Thanks.
I personally don´t think that criteria like belief or sexual orientation are resonable to apply, but then again I also doubt that having the law forcing reasonable behaviour on persons is a good idea.

 

[SallyNow]

Hire who's best for the job. If you refuse to hire someone simply because of their sexual orientation, it's sort of like refusing to hire someone simply because of their race, gender, age, etc: pointless and rude and downright stupid (and in some places illegal)

 

[Lynden1000]

I'm still wondering how you know your applicant is gay. People normally don't walk in and say "Hi, I'm here to apply for the job, and by the way I am attracted to members of my own sex."

 

[TheMissus]

Is it legal to allow sexual orientation affect hiring practices in Fiji? If it is, I don't see the problem with small business owners discriminating based on it. It's a shame and a waste of talent and a missed opportunity to hire someone who may be the best for the job, but if it's legal there isn't much that can be done about it. It's their perogative, and ultimately their loss if they pass over the best applicant because the business owner didn't approve of the applicant's orientation.

 

[kopilo]

I'm still wondering how you know your applicant is gay. People normally don't walk in and say "Hi, I'm here to apply for the job, and by the way I am attracted to members of my own sex."

In tidy towns, everyone knows everyone else's business.

 

[bliz]

It is also because Fiji is such a small place that you dont have to ask who is Gay....everyone just knows.

In tidy towns, everyone knows everyone else's business.

It has been my experience that what everyone knows, or thinks they know, is not necessarily so.

I think that a Christian employer who makes an effort to employ people who others find unemployable is a good witness.

 

[kopilo]

It has been my experience that what everyone knows, or thinks they know, is not necessarily so.

The truthiness of what everyone thinks isn't important in a small community, if you have a black mark against your name fairly or unfairly people will still advoid you and any company you run.

 

[bliz]

Then by all means, let us all defer to the common wisdom, be it right or wrong.

 

[kopilo]

Then by all means, let us all defer to the common wisdom, be it right or wrong.

That's not the point, the point is that there needs to be a societal change and if JesusWalks isn't prepared to take the risk that his society is not mature for equal standard of right reguardless of sexual orientation, then explain to my why he should be taking the fall.

By all means maybe you are aware of the historic Lockheed conumdurm where an employee of the company offered a bribe for a contract in Japan because that was the cultural thing to do and if he hadn't millions of workers would have been out of jobs. In many places bribes are considered immorral and that employee was in major trouble with the company he had effectively just saved.

 

[shye]

I have several businesses, my organisation has a certain value system that is in line with my christian belief (I think this is why my business has taken off so well).

DO you think that if I do not hire homosexuals because they are not the people I want to be around, or the type of image I want my company to portray in my small (everyone knows everyone else)conservative society because it could mean losing valued customers......should I be obligated to hire them?

first of all that is not the christian thing to do. You should not exclude people of what they are. who cares if they are gay, as long as they do a good job and are on time and what not then I say hire them. but never exlude someone out just becaus of their color, religion, sexual preference or any other thing like that

 

[bliz]

That's not the point, the point is that there needs to be a societal change and if JesusWalks isn't prepared to take the risk that his society is not mature for equal standard of right reguardless of sexual orientation, then explain to my why he should be taking the fall.

He is already taking the risk - he hires homosexuals - and there has been no "fall".

 

[JesusWalks78]

He is already taking the risk - he hires homosexuals - and there has been no "fall".

To be fair I hire homosexuals only in places where they cannot be seen, in the kitchens and after hours cleaning details. I know it sounds terrible but I think it is better that they actually get some money for themselves then not hiring them at all....as I said it is impossible for them to get work.

It would mean a loss of many clients (one of my major networks is the Parish and other Catholic Parishes and orgs).....it could mean a major loss, as well as in the small city I would be branded a homosexual and that would simply be the end of what I have worked for.

I try to find a middle ground and feel that I have been able to do so...it is not my fight, the fight fo equality. I am merely trying to help others out.

 

[bliz]

So the Catholic churches would prefer that homosexuals be unemployed? How do they expect these people to live?

 

[JesusWalks78]

So the Catholic churches would prefer that homosexuals be unemployed? How do they expect these people to live?

In celebicy.

it isnt the Church, it is the individual;s, plus even before pre european times, the Fijians had a great dislike of homosexuals and they were often killed but not eaten (a great insult)....it is a little more complex than merely the church

The Catholic Church is not the religious power house in Fiji it is the methodist church. Also if I get branded as being a homosexual I suffer, so as I said middle ground. There are some things that are acceptable for a homosexual to do, such as housework (as maids), cooking etc, so I have tried toi give them a living while trying to keep my reputation intact.