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[TheDag]

The point that I was trying to make is that there is such a thing as a healthy fear of authority figures like police. Our criminals have it too good in this country. They commit a felony, and everyone else gets to pay to feed and house them. Murderers get away with free room & board because liberals say that the death penalty is cruel.

I never said liberals wanted more crime, just that liberals want to try things that either don't work or concede to criminal activities.

Speaking of things that don't work glad you mentioned the death penalty! If it worked why do murders still occour in places where there is a death penalty? answer is that it does not deter people. Of course if just one innocent person os put to death then ot is not justified imo. saying only use it when certain is pointless because they aren't supposed to be convicted if there is doubt and we k ow for a fact that innocent people have been convicted of murder in the past.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I posted many videos. They were not all anecdotal, and I reiterated many times I was referring to the BEATINGS.

I skimmed some of them, but from what I saw, the only video that wasn't anecdotal was the one about the Reuters investigation. Whether or not you're referring to the beatings has no bearing on whether these stories are anecdotal.

As far as demographics and statistics, the numbers were pulled from the NYPD quarterly reports. Unless you're saying the NYPD is lying, they stop blacks and latinos 87% of the time.

Yes, I know where the stats came from. I'm not saying that the cops aren't abusing things.

My only argument is that you're using the word "anecdotal" incorrectly. Otherwise, I agree with you.

-Dan.

 

[IanCG]

I skimmed some of them, but from what I saw, the only video that wasn't anecdotal was the one about the Reuters investigation. Whether or not you're referring to the beatings has no bearing on whether these stories are anecdotal.




Yes, I know where the stats came from. I'm not saying that the cops aren't abusing things.

My only argument is that you're using the word "anecdotal" incorrectly. Otherwise, I agree with you.

-Dan.

I was saying the videos of the beatings are not anecdotal, because the videos showed the beatings in progress.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Speaking of things that don't work glad you mentioned the death penalty! If it worked why do murders still occour in places where there is a death penalty? answer is that it does not deter people. Of course if just one innocent person os put to death then ot is not justified imo. saying only use it when certain is pointless because they aren't supposed to be convicted if there is doubt and we k ow for a fact that innocent people have been convicted of murder in the past.

I agree that it's not going to deter murder in a lot of states, especially since it's going to most likely be decades of appeals followed by a procedure that essentially causes no more pain than getting a wisdom tooth pulled.

If implemented the right way, it's another story.

Statistically speaking, the best thing we have right now to deter violent crime are Concealed Carry permits.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I was saying the videos of the beatings are not anecdotal, because the videos showed the beatings in progress.

Yes, and on that point you're incorrect. Reports can be accurate, even in real-time, and still be anecdotal.

-Dan.

 

[IanCG]

Yes, and on that point you're incorrect. Reports can be accurate, even in real-time, and still be anecdotal.

-Dan.

Then what's your idea of of non-anecdotal evidence, if video evidence doesn't cut it?

 

[iluvatar5150]

Then what's your idea of of non-anecdotal evidence, if video evidence doesn't cut it?

Statistics and examinations of broad trends. Video evidence of specific cases does not prove anything about trends or what is "typical."

-Dan.

 

[Billnew]

Video evidence can be one sided.
Watch your videos, have they been edited to only show the beating?

Just like this video, the poster wanted everyone to see the "big man strike the innocent little girl", but the girl wasn't so innocent.
The driver was wrong to hit her, but if any girl deserved it, this girl deserved being hit.

Anecdotal:define anecdotal - Bing DICTIONARY

based on anecdotes or hearsay: consisting of or based on secondhand accounts rather than firsthand knowledge or experience or scientific investigation "anecdotal evidence"

The video's are first hand, but when edited become heresay or second hand information. ie they take the incident out of context.

Question how many people wouldn't want to beat someone that spit on you? That repeated struck you while you were unable to defend yourself?
Take that out of the picture, and you change a defender to an aggressor.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

Speaking of things that don't work glad you mentioned the death penalty! If it worked why do murders still occour in places where there is a death penalty?

Japan's murder rate isn't all that high. Don't know about China's or Iran's.....
Secondly: The point isn't whether "it works", but whether it's just. And the answer to that question is an unmistakable "Yes"

 

[TheDag]

Japan's murder rate isn't all that high. Don't know about China's or Iran's.....
Secondly: The point isn't whether "it works", but whether it's just. And the answer to that question is an unmistakable "Yes"

So you think an innocent person being put to death is just!!!! you have a strange definition froend. perhaps you missed the point i made about it being fact that innocent people have been convicted of murder before. Just like in the bible when God says for the sake of the few he wouldn't destroy a place likewise for the sake of the few who are innocent but found guilty we should not allow the death penalty as that makes it unjust.

In other places where death penalty exists and low murder rate it jist says that death penalty is not the factor that causes that but rather something else is behind it.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

So you think an innocent person being put to death is just!!!!

I never said that. Stop lying about people with whom you disagree. And your post will been reported for insults.