Bus Driver uppercut

[IanCG]

Not for criminals who physically attack others. If someone hits you and a slight shove doesn't fix the problem, you take it up a notch until they stop attacking you.

Probably the reason why I love the fact that my state re-enacted the castle doctrine.

In Rodney King's case, when attempting a tackle doesn't work, you try 2 on 1, when that doesn't work, you try the stick to the back of the knee...when that doesn't work, you hit 'em in the head.

And then do it again, and again, and again....

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And then do it again, and again, and again....

If a person's on PCP, that might be required.

 

[IanCG]

If a person's on PCP, that might be required.

Both sides agree that King was intoxicated. The officers said they believed that he also was under the influence of the drug PCP, which sometimes renders its users impervious to pain.

Tests on King for PCP were negative, and the prosecution has suggested that defendants concocted suspicions of PCP use to justify their actions.

Well, there goes that excuse.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Well, there goes that excuse.

That's fine, then he was just a big tough guy who couldn't be taken down by normal means.

Why do you want to be so soft on criminals?

 

[IanCG]

That's fine, then he was just a big tough guy who couldn't be taken down by normal means.

Why do you want to be so soft on criminals?

That's funny. Beat a man over 50 times with a baton or I'm a weak softy.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

After Koon ordered officers to stand clear of King, King stood, unresponsive to Koon's commands to cease resisting. Koon discharged a Taser into King's back, and King momentarily fell to his knees. King then stood again, and yelled for approximately five seconds
Koon then ordered the four other LAPD officers at the scene, Briseno, Powell, Solano, and Wind, to subdue and handcuff King using a technique called a "swarm." This involves multiple officers grabbing a suspect with empty hands, in order to quickly overcome potential resistance. As the officers attempted to restrain King, King resisted, standing to remove Officers Powell and Briseno from his back.

The point at which Rodney King was struck by Koon's Taser is the approximate start of the George Holliday videotape of the incident. In the tape, King is seen on the ground. He rises and moves toward Powell.[20] Taser wire can be seen in King's body. As King moves forward, Officer Powell strikes King with his baton. The blow strikes King in the head, and King is knocked to the ground.[21] Powell strikes King several more times with his baton. Briseno moves in, attempting to stop Powell from striking again, and Powell stands back. Koon reportedly said, "That's enough." Rodney King then rises again, to his knees, Powell and Wind are then seen hitting King with their batons.[22]
Koon acknowledged ordering the continued use of batons, directing Powell and Wind to strike King with "power strokes." According to Koon, Powell and Wind used "bursts of power strokes, then backed off." In the videotape, King continues to try and stand again.

 

[IanCG]

After Koon ordered officers to stand clear of King, King stood, unresponsive to Koon's commands to cease resisting. Koon discharged a Taser into King's back, and King momentarily fell to his knees. King then stood again, and yelled for approximately five seconds
Koon then ordered the four other LAPD officers at the scene, Briseno, Powell, Solano, and Wind, to subdue and handcuff King using a technique called a "swarm." This involves multiple officers grabbing a suspect with empty hands, in order to quickly overcome potential resistance. As the officers attempted to restrain King, King resisted, standing to remove Officers Powell and Briseno from his back.

The point at which Rodney King was struck by Koon's Taser is the approximate start of the George Holliday videotape of the incident. In the tape, King is seen on the ground. He rises and moves toward Powell.[20] Taser wire can be seen in King's body. As King moves forward, Officer Powell strikes King with his baton. The blow strikes King in the head, and King is knocked to the ground.[21] Powell strikes King several more times with his baton. Briseno moves in, attempting to stop Powell from striking again, and Powell stands back. Koon reportedly said, "That's enough." Rodney King then rises again, to his knees, Powell and Wind are then seen hitting King with their batons.[22]
Koon acknowledged ordering the continued use of batons, directing Powell and Wind to strike King with "power strokes." According to Koon, Powell and Wind used "bursts of power strokes, then backed off." In the videotape, King continues to try and stand again.

And?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

And?

You taze him, he won't stay down

4 people try to hold him down, he won't stay down.

Hit him with the baton, he won't stay down.

Hit him several more times, he won't stay down.

What do you suggest they should've done? If you look at the situation the cops were in, their choices where to knock him out, or shoot him.

 

[IanCG]

You taze him, he won't stay down

4 people try to hold him down, he won't stay down.

Hit him with the baton, he won't stay down.

Hit him several more times, he won't stay down.

What do you suggest they should've done? If you look at the situation the cops were in, their choices where to knock him out, or shoot him.

Rodney King dead at 47 swimming pool police beating caught on tape video los angeles brutality lapd - YouTube

He was being beaten, and he was crawling away, probably in fear of his life. Wouldn't be the first person killed by overzealous police.

 

[Metal Minister]

Just curious,but how did this thread go from a bus driver punching an assailant to Rodney King?

 

[IanCG]

Just curious,but how did this thread go from a bus driver punching an assailant to Rodney King?

Started with this.

Yes, the 30 second versions look to only catch the aftermath to stir emotion, much like the Rodney King videos we all saw...they only showed the cops hitting him at the end, and didn't show the prior part where Rodney was asserting his PCP fueled strength and swatting cops off like flies.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Just curious,but how did this thread go from a bus driver punching an assailant to Rodney King?

I used it as an example in an earlier post about why heavy force is sometimes required and that a carefully edited video tape can make a situation look very different.

 

[Metal Minister]

I used it as an example in an earlier post about why heavy force is sometimes required.

Oh, gotcha...

 

[Metal Minister]

Started with this.

Spiraled after that huh...got it...finally saw the 30 second Vid, and it was heavily editorialized by the newsperson covering it, but I was able to glean the gist. He did however fail to mention the physical assault that led up to the punch...

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Spiraled after that huh...got it...finally saw the 30 second Vid, and it was heavily editorialized by the newsperson covering it, but I was able to glean the gist. He did however fail to mention the physical assault that led up to the punch...

I should've made a copy of the full 4 minute video when it was still online.

Petition asks to reinstate Cleveland bus driver suspended for uppercut punch to female passenger | syracuse.com

This has some more detail...apparently there's a petition to get him back on the job.

 

[TheDag]

Yes it does...if you try to peacefully control a situation and the person continues their attack or simply doesn't respond to calm approach, sometimes physical action is required.

Minimum force is what should be used. I don't think it would have been hard for the driver to restrain the person rather than the actions he took. I have never had a problem restraining people who are getting violent without using violence myself. I will say I have never been in a situation where drugs have been an issue.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Minimum force is what should be used. I don't think it would have been hard for the driver to restrain the person rather than the actions he took. I have never had a problem restraining people who are getting violent without using violence myself. I will say I have never been in a situation where drugs have been an issue.

According to your flag, you're also from the land down under.

You don't have the kind of riff-raff down there that we have in the US.

 

[IanCG]

Riff-raff, AKA Americans who still have rights, even while they're getting arrested.

 

[LionofJudahDK]

If a cop is beating someone, they are probably in the wrong, regardless of what the suspect did.

How about no?
If the suspect attacks the officer, the officer should fight back. Police work is difficult and dangerous enough as it is, without having to have criminals be allowed to beat you without fighting back.

 

[Kristen.NewCreation]

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