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Buddhism in a Nutshell

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No relgions need any answers from any guy named Christ and I sure as heck don't want your arrogant comments in a (supposed to be) educational thread so check your ego at the door along with its byproduct which would be arrogance.

Put it this way, Buddhism is not about warshipping yourself. It's about the purification of your mind and heart, and ending the craving cycle which causes you to cling to this world.

Basically, being mentally pure is being able to fully control your mind, which stops your ego and therefor your arrogance. I won't go into it much more because I think that Tariki's post covered a lot of it.

As for having a pure heart, that deals with putting the safety of others' over the safety of yourself and wanting everyone to have their suffering come to an end. Once again Tariki explained this part further so I'm going to stop there.

The only reason you might see this as impossible is because you rely on Jesus and other biblical things to have saved you. However, that does not help the good of mankind and the world if you don't try to achieve purity of your mind and body and rely on outside figures then that doesn't help the world at hand which is the major problem I see with Christianity outside of the theology.
 
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Ryoko Ozaki said:
No relgions need any answers from any guy named Christ and I sure as heck don't want your arrogant comments in a (supposed to be) educational thread so check your ego at the door along with its byproduct which would be arrogance. My belief in Christ has absolutley nothing to do with being arrogant or an egomaniac. It has to do with Christ. I don't appreciate personal attacks when I ask a question attempting to learn about your beliefs.

Put it this way, Buddhism is not about warshipping yourself. It's about the purification of your mind and heart, and ending the craving cycle which causes you to cling to this world. And how does one become purified?


The only reason you might see this as impossible is because you rely on Jesus and other biblical things to have saved you. However, that does not help the good of mankind and the world if you don't try to achieve purity of your mind and body and rely on outside figures then that doesn't help the world at hand which is the major problem I see with Christianity outside of the theology. First, Jesus Christ is not a 'biblical thing'; but the Son of God. He came to save you as well as me. Does not help the good of mankind? Christ changed me from the inside out. I recall in my days prior to Christ, not caring about and even mocking the plight of my fellow man. But now that I know Christ, I am a changed man. If you knew the millions of people helping others in the name of Christ; I suspect your views would be changed.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!!
 
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Isaiah, if you truly wanted to learn about my beliefs then you wouldn't contradict every part of them. All you want to do is use negative criticism on them because of you arrogant need for everyone to agree with you. And stop saying "not me, Christ," because I don't believe that Christ was the son of a figure that is as real as Santa Clause to me.

Believe in what you wish, however, do me a big favor and grow up, for it will help me spread love if people are mature in their beliefs.
 
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Ryoko Ozaki said:
Isaiah, if you truly wanted to learn about my beliefs then you wouldn't contradict every part of them. All you want to do is use negative criticism on them because of you arrogant need for everyone to agree with you. And stop saying "not me, Christ," because I don't believe that Christ was the son of a figure that is as real as Santa Clause to me.

Believe in what you wish, however, do me a big favor and grow up, for it will help me spread love if people are mature in their beliefs.
Again, you attack me with anger and hostility. :mad: I ask questions and all you do is try and turn it into a personal attack. Oh well, perhaps someone else will come along and answer my questions.

I am not trying to force you or anyone else into believing anything. I can state my beliefs as openly and often as I desire, the same as you can.

If you see questions as contradictions perhaps you should just ignore my questions and allow someone else to answer. If you don't know the answer there is no shame in admitting as much.

If you feel as if you can answer my questions without attacking me, I would thank you.

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!
 
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Rising_Suns said:
Hey I just have a quick question, now that i've been thinking;

From what I know, buddhism teaches that you are reincarnated till you reach perfection. But my question is, isn't this a hard path to chose? I can't even imagine how many times I would be reincarnated till i achieve this state of being, if it's even possible. And our memory would in effect be earased and we start from ground zero every time we are born again.
Namaste Rising_suns,

thanks for the post.

we'll confine ourselves to the Buddhist paradigm for this answer.

firstly, perfection is not really a concept like that in Buddhism. there is no striving for "perfection" per sey. rather, Buddhists are mindfully striving for enlightenment, which means "awakened."

the Buddhist path is, indeed, not for everyone. it does require a great deal of personal time and comittment to practice and that can appear "hard".

let's talk about reincarnation, or more accurately, rebirth. reincarnation tends to imply that you, along with your feelings and so forth are "reformed" in a new body. this is not Buddhist rebirth. briefly (and i shall be sparing with the technical terms) Buddhist rebirth posits that the Alaya consciousness is what is actually reborn. the Alaya consciousness is like a storehouse, if you will, of all the karmic imprints from this and our previous lives. karma is a powerful force is Buddhist thought and though commonly held forth as the only reason for rebirth, this is not the case. there are 24 causes for rebirth, though Karma is a very powerful one.

staying within the Buddhist paradigm, you've already had countless past lives... why would it trouble you to have more? yes, this "state of being" is quite possible to be achieved. the Buddha was the first person in this world age to rediscover the Dharma (there were 6 Buddhas before Guatama, the historical Buddha) and all of his attendents also achieved this same level of awareness.

there is a direct simile of this in the concept of Gilgul of the Jewish tradition.

also.. though it's not "you" so much that gets reborn, that does not mean that you are not able to recall your previous existences. this is quite clearly taught in the Sutras and it's one of the 5 paranormal powers of all Bodhisattvas.
 
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WayMan said:
A bit more about the man from the Book of Man


There was a High lord born in the lands of those with almond eyes and he was nearly lost for he was a soldier as was his father and he was named Buddha amongst his names in that tongue. As with all bearers of the veil he was always much troubled by that which he saw and that which he felt. He like all the rest understood nothing of men and could not calculate their ways . Buddha did not know of the veil for the truth of it was not within his land and there was great ignorance of it. This was why none did try to kill his mother before his birth as it is with all caulbearers since the knowledge of the caul and their greatness was known. He abandoned his wife and left his home for he was much troubled and there was none that could guide him. He searched for reason of his mind and that which he felt for he was sorely confused. He tried to understand that which was born within hem and he could not. Without his knowing a member of the brotherhood of Nazarenes watched him at all time as had it so been since his sign was first seen in the sky. As his sign grew, brothers journeyed to the place that he would be born and they were there. Because they were strangers they were not allowed to approach the child so he was not anointed as a King at that time as he should have been. So they watched and they waited until they saw a safe opportunity. They knew that he would not receive them until his torment was great and his mind would be receptive to reason and the hallowed knowledge. They followed him in his footsteps wherever his feet did tread. One day he was tired and was much disturbed and he sat to rest beneath a tree in it’s shade. One of the brothers who had been following him approached and spoke onto him and asked why was he troubled. He was receptive to them and they were overjoyed. He listened to them and they talked to him for many days without rest of sleep. He did not tire and he gained reason and he gained knowledge of that which he was and he was content with it. They took him with them and so began his education . Again he did go amongs his people and they were much amazed by his sayings and he was full of the light of his knowledge and this did he do, for the rest of his life.
Namaste,

this is not correct with regards to the Buddha Guatama. though it's a mighty fine tale in it's own right.
 
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Ryoko Ozaki said:
No relgions need any answers from any guy named Christ and I sure as heck don't want your arrogant comments in a (supposed to be) educational thread so check your ego at the door along with its byproduct which would be arrogance.

Put it this way, Buddhism is not about warshipping yourself. It's about the purification of your mind and heart, and ending the craving cycle which causes you to cling to this world.

Basically, being mentally pure is being able to fully control your mind, which stops your ego and therefor your arrogance. I won't go into it much more because I think that Tariki's post covered a lot of it.

As for having a pure heart, that deals with putting the safety of others' over the safety of yourself and wanting everyone to have their suffering come to an end. Once again Tariki explained this part further so I'm going to stop there.

The only reason you might see this as impossible is because you rely on Jesus and other biblical things to have saved you. However, that does not help the good of mankind and the world if you don't try to achieve purity of your mind and body and rely on outside figures then that doesn't help the world at hand which is the major problem I see with Christianity outside of the theology.


We are a lot closer than you would probably realise, we have a lot in common.
 
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Isaiah 53 said:
Hello!

I have spent a lot of time studying other religions, but have spent absolutley no time on Buddism (sorry Derek, I am not trying to generalize). So, I guess my question is: As basic as possible what is Buddism, and what is its purpose?

From what I gathered it seems to be a religion based on worshiping yourself. You are the means of your own salvation/enlightenment. I see this as flawed and impossible. If I am incorrect, I appologize.

I believe in understanding other religions so I can better answer it with the truth of Christ!!

PEACE IN CHRIST!!!!!
Namaste,

thanks for the post.

it's rather difficult, as you can imagine, to confine over 2500 years of development into a simply tautology that can be repeated :) in any event...

Buddhism is about one thing and one thing only... suffering and the ending of suffering. that's it. and yes, one must do the work oneself to end ones suffering. this isn't "salvation" as is commonly understood in the theistic traditions... though it can have a "salve" effect on a person, i.e. soothing their injuries.

it is quite common for the Occident to misunderstand what is going on when they see all those Buddha statues, Bodhisattva statues and so forth.. to the outsider, it can really be quite confusing.

in any event... it should be clear that (and we have to be general here... there are specific incidents where this is not the case) the statues and images are not being worshipped in the least. they are, much like the iconagraphy of the Orthodox Christian church, simply a means of rememberance... an outward symbol of an inward experience.

interestingly enough... prior to the Bactarin Greeks arrival on the Sub-continent, there were no known images of the Buddha. those greeks sure do like making images of things :)

indeed... i would tend to agree with you... if someone was worshipping themselves, this would be very flawed. that is not what Buddhism does or is about :)
 
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just a side note, lets try to refrain from name calling. Thanks guys....

vajradhara,
thank you for responding to my questions, and namaste to you too. :)

I'd just like to clear something up here, if i may...

The only reason you might see this as impossible is because you rely on Jesus and other biblical things to have saved you. However, that does not help the good of mankind and the world if you don't try to achieve purity of your mind and body and rely on outside figures then that doesn't help the world at hand which is the major problem I see with Christianity outside of the theology.

You seem to have the wrong impression of Christianity, or maybe a more protestant concept of it. Living a Christian life means following in the steps of Jesus Christ, not just saying; "yeah Jesus is my savior", and doing nothing for the rest of your life. It's a change of heart--a change of desire--when you give your life over to God. It means loving your neighbor, being humble, kind, compassionate, strong-willed, wise, patient, and obedient. It means striving with your whole heart to be pure and selfless in mind and in deed. From what I've gathered so far about buddhism, it's actually very similar, minus God and His son Jesus Christ.
 
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I would be very interested if this thread were to continue in its original intent. This topic is meant for learning, not criticizing. To learn is to absorb knowledge with an open mind. To learn something with the intent of criticizing it is not learning.
 
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If you *want* to learn about Buddhism, perhaps you should start with learning about Buddha himself.

The King Suddhodana, of Sakya Clan, was a very successful and liked King. He and his wife Maya had everything they wanted except a sole heir, a son. Maya has a dream one night that a white elephant visited her bedroom (elephant = represents good fortune and kingship) and pierces her side with his tusk. She awakes to find herself pregnant. She gotes to the Lumbini Grove to have the child, and produces the child from the side of her belly.

The child speaks right out of the womb and says "This is my last birth and with it, I shall put an end to birth itself" The Queen was soo overjoyed with the anticipated birth of her son, that she died from excess of joy. The boy was braught up by his sister.

The time came where the King took the boy to the wise men/astrologers to have his future read. The men could not tell his future but could only come to this conclusion... That the boy would either end up a great religious leader or a Great King. So Buddha's father wanted his son to be a great king like himself, so he began thinking about how to make sure Buddha (aka Siddhartha Guatama, also known as Sakyamuni) doesn't begin studying religions. So the King decides that if his son never had to deal with suffering, then he would never be interested in religion (as the Hindu religion mainly deals with the problem of pain) So the King decided he would do anything he could to keep his son inside the castle so that he wouldn't go outside, in the real world, and see people suffering; see death, old age, and disease.

Buddha grew up having everything he wanted... women, food... all the pleasures that a price could think of. Eventually, he married and had a child whom he named Rahula (which means something that ties one down).

Buddha realized one day that he had never, ever left the walls of the castle. He decided to take a look at the world. So he gets his friend Chandaka to take him outside the castle. The King catches wind of Buddha's plans and realizes that what he didn't want to happen is happening. He goes out to the local towns and makes sure that all the sick, old age people stay indoors and only healthy, youthful people can come outside. So Buddha travels to the nearest towns and enjoys the praise of the people. Off in the distance, Buddha sees a man walking down the road, hobbling on a stick, all bent over and decrepid. So Buddha asks Chandaka what the was the matter with that man and Chandaka tells Buddha that the man is old, it is what happens to people when they get old. So Buddha was shocked. He had never seen old age before. So Buddha was disturbed by the idea the he could never escape old age and he knew what was to become of him. Buddha commanded that his travels be cancelled and he went back to the palace.

Buddha then decides to try another trip outside the castle. This time he sees a man lying down, sweating and shivering with deformities and bumps all over his being. Buddha asks Chandaka what the matter was with the man and Chandaka tells Buddha that the man is ill. Buddha gets deeply upset at the idea of sickness and orders they return to the castle.

The third outing, Buddha travels out into the countryside and was enjoying the view and the scenery. Buddha then sees a flock of birds in the road and approaches them. He finds a man lying in the road who is not breathing. Buddha asks Chandaka what the matter was and Chandaka told Buddha that this man is dead. Buddha got very depressed at the idea of death and human's inability to do anything about it. Buddha then began looking around him and saw the feild workers sweating and weathered by their toils. He felt pity on them.

Buddha got back to the castle and stayed in a state of deep depression. The King decided to cheer him up by throwing a big party. So everyone got dressed up and was enjoying the party, but Buddha would not come out to his guests. After much deliberation, Buddha was persuaded to come out although the party was almost over. When he came out, he was disgusted by the sight of all the drunken guests. He couldn't understand how they could live life knowing about disease, death, and old age. So Buddha decides he will try to figure out how to deal with suffering.

Buddha leaves the castle and his family in search for the solution.

He went out with his friend Chandaka and they got out to the countryside. He sat under an apple tree and began thinking about suffering. He concentrated very hard and fell into a meditative trance. This was Buddha's first experience with meditation. Buddha realized that we are all in the same boat with old age, disease, and death... so we should be kind to one another.

Buddha looks up and sees a man walking down the road. The man was a sannyasi (a traveling hermit, recluse that renounces society and lives the remainder of his life in devotion to his religion) Buddha and the sannyasi talk for a bit and Buddha realizes he should become a sannyasi.

Buddha and Chandaka part. Buddha shaves his head and leaves his jewels and nice cloths behind and becomes a sannyasi. For 6 years he wandered around looking for a teacher, always asking "How can I end suffering" He never found a suitable teacher.

Eventually, he came across 5 ascetics practicing yoga. These 5 men were very devout in their practices and put themselves through rigorous techniques. Buddha begins doing what the 5 men do. His diet was 1 grain of rice, 1 seasame, and 1 ju-ju fruit per day. He looked at hismelf one day and could see his spine through his stomach, and realized that he has obtained no enlightenment from these practices. He tells the other 5 what he has come to realize and they reject him.

So Buddha departs and goes to Gaya. He sits under a tree and begins to sleep because he is too wearty to go any farther without food. A girl named Nandabala sees Buddha and thinks he is a ghost or forest spirit. She decides that she should leave him an offering of food. Buddha eats the food and feels revitalized. He still is upset after never finding a solution to suffering. He vows to never leave from underneath the tree until he does. So he begins meditation.

Mara (god of sex and death) offers daughters (Lust, Discontent, Craving) to tempt Buddha and break his meditation. Buddha realizes that Mara are figments of his own subconscience and denies them.

Getting deeper into his meditation, Buddha sees all of his previous births. He acquires a supreme insight (sees the world as it really is). He realizes why beings are born, why they suffer, and why they die. Buddha then enters a state of Nirvana.

Braham, the creator god, appears before him and verifies his understandings that he has acquired from meditation. Brahma tells Buddha, that while this trance is eternally blissful, that he must go and tell others what he has learned.

Buddha then comes back to bodily awareness and goes to Beanares. He sees the 5 ascetics again and they still reject him. Buddha persuades them to listen to what he has learned and so they do:

Buddha's 1st Teaching: (Dharmachakrapravartana Sutra = actual writing of the 1st teaching)

**Think of his teachings as a medical diagnosis on humanities problem of suffering**

1.) Dukkha - disease *basically the suffering/pain that everyone has*
2.) Samudaya - reason *what causes us to suffer*
3.) Nirodha - cure *Nirvana*
4.) Magga - How to be cured *Noble Eightfold Path*

First I'll try to explain what the 5 Skandhas (the components that make up the impression of self) are:

1.) Matter- We have bodies that provide sensory equiptment
2.) Sensations- light, dark, sweet, sour, hot cold
3.) Perceptions- Our awareness of the sensations
4.) Mental Formations- Ideas we make of our perceptions. This is where desires arise... our craving to have the same perception of a particular sensation over and over. (i.e. sex, food, drugs, love, etc...)
5.) Consciousness- We are all aware of 1-4.

Reasons for Suffering:

1. Thirst for Sensations
2. Thrist for Existance
3. Thirst for that which is Eternal (moksha, heaven, atman, etc...)

Once you can overcome these three things, you can enter a state of Nirvana (no suffering, no desires)

Example:

A hot blonde riding down the road in a red sports car.

1. Your eyes see
2. Blonde, red
3. We percieve they are good things
4. We formulate a plan of how we are to obtain a hot blonde with a red sports car. ***This is where the problem lies in Buddhism. Mental Formations are the root of desires. The blonde will not love you forever, the car will not last forever... suffering and pain are the result. Buddhists believe that things are always changing. Nothing ever stays the same. With this in mind, good will eventually become bad. Young will become old. Joy will become strife. While we desire these things, we also bring upon us the negative opposites that will eventually come with them. So Buddhism teaches to not desire them in the first place***

Please keep in mind, I'm not learned in Buddhist teachings. I am not claiming to be. This is what I have come to understand what Buddhism is. If you have a different understanding, please share it so that all may understand. I do not claim that all of this is 100% correct as I am just a religion major undergrad. Thank you.
 
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Good stuff man...I believe buddhism at the core has a good focus, one that is introverted and solitary, which we definately need at times. I know Christianity teaches that we are to be among people if we are to love our fellow brothers and sisters, but I believe we need to take ourselves out of society from time to time and just focus on God. We cannot let oursevles get corrupted by society, and if you live in it, eventually you will be affected by it. Western Christianity has become so americanized and watered down. The more I live here, the more I see people's generallities and misconceptions of Christianity, liking it to some "get out of jail free card". It's really a shame how society plays such a dentrimental role in it, but it's nice that society hasn't harmed buddhism in quite the same way, or so it seems. I don't know. Maybe I am wrong here. Anyway, thank you for taking the time to type all that out.

May the peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you always.
 
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what is the Way you are talking about?


The Way that was taught by the sect of the Nazarenes, the Way that the bible says Paul was a follower of.

Acts 24 5

We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect

Acts 24:14


However, I admit that I worship the God of our fathers as a follower of the Way, which they call a sect.


Check out the Way, as a religion major undergrad, you should find it very revealing.
 
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