Bruce Springsteen is anti-Trump but predicts Trump re-election win in 2020

[LivingWordUnity]

When he lies constantly while doing so, that's not a good thing.

It's a lie that he "lies constantly."

 

[Hank77]

It's a lie that he "lies constantly."

Can I assume that you would defend your own child against accusations and evidence of very frequent lying the same way you do Trump?

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Can I assume that you would defend your own child against accusations and evidence of very frequent lying the same way you do Trump?

The media often falsely accuses Trump of lying. That's not to say that he never lies.

But saying that he "lies constantly" is a lie.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Here's an example: If Trump would say it was raining cats and dogs the media would call it a lie because it wasn't literally raining cats and dogs.

 

[Hank77]

The media often falsely accuses Trump of lying. That's not to say that he never lies.

But saying that he "lies constantly" is a lie.

I really don't care what the media 'says', I can read his tweets and I can hear words coming out of his mouth.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I really don't care what the media 'says', I can read his tweets and I can hear words coming out of his mouth.

I listen to him a lot, and I don't agree with the claim that he "lies constantly."

 

[Albion]

It's a lie that he "lies constantly."

True, but when opponents are making stuff up, the idea is to paint the object of one's ire in the worst possible terms. Not the most accurate, for that might fail to outrage the people sufficiently, but the worst possible.

On the other hand, if this is done all the time, the hearers come to recognize that none of it can be trusted. I think we are at that point now.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

True, but when opponents are making stuff up, the idea is to paint the object of one's ire in the worst possible terms. Not the most accurate, for that might fail to outrage the people sufficiently, but the worst possible.

On the other hand, if this is done all the time, the hearers come to recognize that none of it can be trusted. I think we are at that point now.

His enemies are the boy who cried wolf too often.

 

[Speedwell]

I listen to him a lot, and I don't agree with the claim that he "lies constantly."

I listen to him as well. I don't think he "lies constantly." I just think he runs his mouth (and his thumbs) constantly without any regard for what is true and what is not. Remember, a lie is an intentional falsehood. Just making stuff up because it sounds good is not necessarily lying.

 

[Albion]

More often it is a matter of him speaking colloquially, just as all of us do. Then that is taken by his enemies and interpreted as if it were meant strictly literally.

 

[Speedwell]

More often it is a matter of him speaking colloquially, just as all of us do. Then that is taken by his enemies and interpreted as if it were meant strictly literally.

Of course. However, it runs up against the traditional expectation that the Head of State will not speak ex officio in that way.

 

[jayem]

His enemies are the boy who cried wolf too often.

Donald Trump's biggest enemy is his own party. I'd estimate about 25% of whom are "Establishment" Republicans who distrust him, if not truly hate his guts. They're scared to death by the chaos of his administration. And by what the midterms portend. Despite 2 Senate seat pickups, the House loss was pretty significant. Not to mention 6 gubernatorial losses. Unless Donald Trump can get his act together, there are a lot of Republicans who would like nothing better than for him to be out the picture in 2020.

As I've posted in the past, if Donald Trump fails, it won't be because of Democrats or the media. It will be the Republican Party. And you know I'm right.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Donald Trump's biggest enemy is his own party.

President Trump has an 89% job approval rating with Republicans.

 

[Speedwell]

President Trump has an 89% job approval rating with Republicans.

Why should they not support him? Trump's base supports him because he is carrying through with his promise of the court appointments they need to break the First Amendment.

 

[USincognito]

It's a lie that he "lies constantly."

Bahahaha! In light of post #55 this is hilarious.
Bruce Springsteen is anti-Trump but predicts Trump re-election win in 2020

 

[Albion]

Of course. However, it runs up against the traditional expectation that the Head of State will not speak ex officio in that way.

That is one concern, but if I agree to that....

what does it have to do with claims that he lies constantly or has lied 7,000 times or any of the rest of those charges we hear all the time? It doesn't have anything to do with them.

 

[USincognito]

Here's an example: If Trump would say it was raining cats and dogs the media would call it a lie because it wasn't literally raining cats and dogs.

No they wouldn't. This another of your falsehoods just like the ones I exposed in post #55.
Bruce Springsteen is anti-Trump but predicts Trump re-election win in 2020

 

[USincognito]

True, but when opponents are making stuff up, the idea is to paint the object of one's ire in the worst possible terms. Not the most accurate, for that might fail to outrage the people sufficiently, but the worst possible.

On the other hand, if this is done all the time, the hearers come to recognize that none of it can be trusted. I think we are at that point now.

Given the rest of your comment and post #55, the part in bold is quite ironic.
Bruce Springsteen is anti-Trump but predicts Trump re-election win in 2020

 

[Albion]

Why should they not support him? Trump's base supports him because he is carrying through with his promise of the court appointments they need to break the First Amendment.

Cute, but not correct.

 

[cow451]

I listen to him a lot, and I don't agree with the claim that he "lies constantly."

I stopped listening a lot because he lies constantly. Now, when someone makes up stuff, I call that lying. Maybe you don’t.