Brothers and Sisters, is it TIME FOR WRATH???

[tulc]

tulc, he stood me up and started dating that meanie Victoria. How could he? No amount of sorries will ever mend my broken heart.

Ok, that one was funny.
tulc(need some coffee?)

 

[flicka]

This one I'd have to agree with Zaac. It's not a religion. Some of us who people would classify as Christians would want nothing to do with the religion, and some of us would rather see the Church destroyed.

SOME of you who classify yourself as Christan don't think it's a religion, SOME of you most definitely do. It's fascinating how some try to distance themselves from religion as if it's a plague and think that they, in all their cleverness, have figured out something that nobody before them has. Part ego, part ignorance of religious history, part wishful thinking IMO.
Christianity IS a religion. Christ is not a religion, he is a figure. You can't BE Christ though so you follow the RELIGION that worships him...Christianity. Y'all can fight over the definition. It don't make no nevermind to me.

 

[quatona]

I'm typing.

The make my question: "Why are you typing, at all?"

When I simply agree with what someone else says and it sets off a firestorm, no I don't care how you process it cause you've already processed it the way you wanted.

So what has happened to the message you intended to get across?

Pertaining to this thread, I clearly communicated what I intended to communicate.

Apparently not, else you wouldn´t complain about your message not having reached the receiver.

Bias reared its ugly head and it was interpreted as something else.

That´s a common problem in verbal communication. It is not necessarily the result of bias. What about your bias when interpreting the responses, btw.?

Like I said, I don't care. People in here tend to hear what they want to hear.

If working from that premise, your communication attempts are obsolete.

Are we even in the same thread? Have you even looked at my comment that sparked this?

No, I simply responded to the statement of yours that I responded to. The one in which you sad, err, sorry, typed, that you don´t care what happens to your message.

I didn't blame anyone for misunderstanding. I flat out said that people's bias leads them to believe what they want and I could care less if someone purposely twists what I say to make a point.

Well, you can´t even know what the reason for the misunderstanding was, in the first place. By your own standards, you cannot even be sure your bias hasn`t lead you to read something into the responses that wasn´t the intended message.

The fact however is that I said what I intended to say, and someone with a preconceived bias took it someowhere else.

You seem to think that language is a high precision tool, and that you are a master in using it. I have my doubts about both.

Again, I don't care what you or anyone else finds disturbing.

Obviously, you care enough to write a couple of responses to me.

If I say what I intend to say and it aligns itself with God's Word, be disturbed. Be vexed. Be angry. Be against it.

Why did you add the last three sentences?

I am not swayed from delivering the Truth just because folks are disturbed about something I didn't say.

Unfortunately, something isn´t delivered until it has arrived.

 

[Vene]

Quaint. You know a little Hebrew. But you appear to be really bad at history.

The tomb is empty . Jesus Christ is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father.

Says a single book that also states that the pain in childbirth is sue to sin. And that bats are birds. That grasshoppers have 4 legs. And a god who made light before the sun, along with plants before the sun (here's a hint, they'll die).

I'm not inclined to believe it anymore than I am to believe that the world is a disc held up by 4 elephants on the shell of a cosmic turtle.

You doubt a lot of things. Doesn't make them less true.

You're right, I doubt a lot. I doubt so I don't believe eveything that I'm told. Provide some hard evidence and I will at least consider it.

Christ

So Christianity is Christ? I guess that means only that Yeshua Ben Yosef was the only Christian. I can understand Harpuia wanting to make a distinction between a church and Christianity, but I was under the impression that Christianity was believing the Bible and being a follower of Christ. And a set of commonly help beliefs is typically defined as a religion. It doesn't detract from it, I'll admit that my religion is Discordianism. It's just the term that is accepted so we can talk about the same thing.

 

[Belk]

This one I'd have to agree with Zaac. It's not a religion. Some of us who people would classify as Christians would want nothing to do with the religion, and some of us would rather see the Church destroyed.

I've seen others say this as well. What definition are you using for religion? Because I don't think it is matching up with the one I am using.

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[flicka]

I've seen others say this as well. What definition are you using for religion? Because I don't think it is matching up with the one I am using.

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People try to separate Christianity from religion because there are lots of other religions and they don't want to be lumped together or compared to them. It's a tactic that suggests they are special and unique and therefore correct. I don't blame them for trying.

 

[NPH]

I'm not inclined to believe it anymore than I am to believe that the world is a disc held up by 4 elephants on the shell of a cosmic turtle..

You may not believe it, nevertheless ...

THE TURTLE MOVES!

 

[InterestedAtheist]

If I'm delivering God's Truth in love, my responsibility ends there. And if I have repeated what God's Word said in love, I could care less if someone thinks it was done with another motive. If folks want to harden their hearts just because they are not hearing what their itching ears want to hear , oh well.

The red and blue font to highlight the discrepancy.
You say that you preach "in love" - but then if someone isn't convinced by you, you say "oh well".
Oh well - off to hell with them, I suppose..."
Very loving.

 

[Beanieboy]

These stupid threads remind me of when I was 7 and another kid would say, "My dad is going to beat up your dad," and his dad would NEVER go beat up your dad just because the child says he will.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

ShieldOfFaith, do you ever preach about the love of Jesus?

Yes.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

I don't get it. If you can't do anything about whether people go to Heaven or not, then why preach? Do you think that by preaching, that YOUR actions will save the world from God's wrath, instead of the unbelievers' acts of repentance?

If you think it's your preaching that can save the world, then I have to say, brother, that your ego needs to be restrained. If you don't believe that your preaching is what will appease God, then why are you doing it? Is it because you enjoy the idea of all those terrible people getting what they deserve? If that's the case, then I might gently suggest that you put aside what pleases your fleshly, human desire for revenge. Revenge fantasies are natural to us as humans, but as Christians we are to put aside those desires and do what is right.

We preach the Gospel, and God does the saving. We do our part and let GOD do HIS. He is the One who has already done the work. He is the One who has already provided the sacrifice for sin, then He drags the sinner to Himself, then He makes them born again.

God is the One in charge of salvation. He is awesome and has done this work. Therefore we praise Him.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

I guess this brings up something I also don't really get.

If God is such a huge jerk, if you have to jump through hoops all your life to ensure your salvation or look good for him, then what sort of God is he anyway? A tyrannical one from the sound of it, and one not worthy of praise.

The God I know and love is a God who adores everyone, regardless of how terrible they are or how good. He doesn't lay waste to people far and wide just because they did stupid things that humans tend to do. That's revenge.

You know what I just realized? The point I just made about revenge fantasies being wrong will go in one ear and out the other of someone who believes that God himself engages in his own revenge fantasies on a spectacular scale. I don't believe that, although I used to, so now I see that what makes perfect sense to me probably will be disregarded by someone who has an opposite view of who God is.

You might want to read His Words. He has taken lots of time to write to you; you can at least read what He has written.

 

[Patashu]

I heard a good metaphor for fundamentalists who preach on God's wrath before.

You wouldn't listen to a salesman who cuts you with a knife then sells you bandages, would you?

So why listen to a fundamentalist who preaches hellfire THEN urges you to become saved?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Yes, actually, you do.

If peoples' experience of Christianity through you is one of hatred, intolerance, and self-righteousness, they will assume that Christianity is a religion that promotes these things. Judging from...well, all of your posts here on 4U, this is the message that (wittingly or unwittingly) you convey to non-Christians, not a message of love and forgiveness.

If this is true, then I have news for you: it's not God's Work that you're doing by scaring people away from Christ.

Matt. 23:13-15:
13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]
15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are."

Komi, all the 'hatred', 'intolerance', blah, blah....ect.. Is weak. There is no need for all that. I have not demonstrated hate toward anyone, and you know this. I have shone that GOD is very HOLY!!! And there is no fooling around with Him.

He is not you buddy, He is not the baker, He is not Joe SackODonuts. He is not some joker that sells used cars!!! Think man! Think carefully who we are speaking about. He is not common and is not to be taken as common.

His eyes are so holy you can't imagine. He hates SIN VERY VERY BADLY!!! VERY BADLY!!!

There is a reason I am preaching the wrath of God. Here it is; NO ONE ELSE IS DOING IT!!!

Everyone is too busy trying to look/sound/act like the world and then are wondering why the world is looking at them as just another one of them!

I am not preaching hate and you know this, it is very uncool to accuse a brother in Christ with one of these left-wing buzz words; like "hate", their personal fav. Come on, you are better than that. You can disagree with Jonathan Edwards, but to call him or me filled with 'hate' is really-- uncool.

 

[KomissarSteve]

You might want to read His Words. He has taken lots of time to write to you; you can at least read what He has written.

I think you might want to take the plank out of your own eye before you urge anyone to remove the speck in theirs, on this issue.

Your message is so devoid of the love that is so central to the Gospel, that I find it far more likely that if anyone in this thread hasn't read the Scriptures, it's you.

 

[StarCannon]

We preach the Gospel, and God does the saving. We do our part and let GOD do HIS. He is the One who has already done the work. He is the One who has already provided the sacrifice for sin, then He drags the sinner to Himself, then He makes them born again.

God is the One in charge of salvation. He is awesome and has done this work. Therefore we praise Him.

So tell me about your parents, SoF. Were they this overbearing towards you when you were young?

You wouldn't listen to a salesman who cuts you with a knife then sells you bandages, would you?

So why listen to a fundamentalist who preaches hellfire THEN urges you to become saved?

If a car salesmen tried that with me, he would find himself cut up with his own knife and the bandages in my possession.

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Personally, if one is trying to lead people to Christ, yelling at them about how God will send them to Hell if they don't believe in Him is going to have the opposite effect.

Didn't Christ say to love thy neighbor as thyself? Isn't there a Golden Rule? How would those Christians who want to spew Hellfire and Brimstone at others feel if there were people of other religions doing such things to them, I wonder?

Have you read the entire sermon 'Sinners In The Hand Of An Angry God'???

It is very loving. Yes, it is brutal, but he was trying to get it through to folks that God is not joking about eternal flames. Read the entire sermon please. Then make your judgment.

 

[StarCannon]

It is very loving. Yes, it is brutal, but he was trying to get it through to folks that God is not joking about eternal flames. Read the entire sermon please. Then make your judgment.

There is no hell to burn in.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Komi, all the 'hatred', 'intolerance', blah, blah....ect.. Is weak. There is no need for all that. I have not demonstrated hate toward anyone, and you know this. I have shone that GOD is very HOLY!!! And there is no fooling around with Him.

Actually, what you've done is shown that your perception of God is that He is vindictive and cruel to those who do not conduct themselves perfectly within your very narrow range of morality.

He is not you buddy, He is not the baker, He is not Joe SackODonuts. He is not some joker that sells used cars!!! Think man! Think carefully who we are speaking about. He is not common and is not to be taken as common.

His eyes are so holy you can't imagine. He hates SIN VERY VERY BADLY!!! VERY BADLY!!!

And yet the Scriptures say that He is quick to forgive, and slow to anger. How do you square away your view of God as an angry, vindictive, judgmental being, with the passages from Scripture that say He is not?

 

[ShieldOFaith]

Absolutely!!! Why any pastor would purpose to preach of God's love without preaching of His wrath is crazy and is essentially false teaching. And yall can call Joel Osteen and tell em I said so.

Preach it!