Brothers and Sisters, is it TIME FOR WRATH???

[KomissarSteve]

Absolutely!!! Why any pastor would purpose to preach of God's love without preaching of His wrath is crazy and is essentially false teaching.

And what would you call someone like ShieldOfFaith, who teaches God's Wrath and yet exemplifies an attitude that is, in many ways, the antithesis of the love that Christ calls upon us to exude?

 

[TheManeki]

Absolutely!!! Why any pastor would purpose to preach of God's love without preaching of His wrath is crazy and is essentially false teaching. And yall can call Joel Osteen and tell em I said so.

Of course! That way, if you can't convert people by persuading them that Christianity has any benefits over other religions and philosophies, you can always convert them by scaring the pants off them!

 

[Zaac]

And what would you call someone like ShieldOfFaith, who teaches God's Wrath and yet exemplifies an attitude that is, in many ways, the antithesis of the love that Christ calls upon us to exude?

I have not followed SOF. I follow GOD. From the interaction that I HAVE had with SOF, he has told people of God's Truth and people have gotten upset because what he tells you of truth, you don't want to accept as truth.

 

[Zaac]

Of course! That way, if you can't convert people by persuading them that Christianity has any benefits over other religions and philosophies, you can always convert them by scaring the pants off them!

Sorry mr. humanist. We lack the power to convert by persuasion or any other manner.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I have not followed SOF. I follow GOD.

Your words lead me to believe otherwise - that you follow your ego and your own self-righteous attitude. If you truly followed God, you would take to heart what the Apostle Paul said about trying to accomplish things without love.

 

[Zaac]

I have to agree. A short time ago, I had lost faith in my religion,

If you still have faith in religion, get rid of it. Religion can't save you.

and was seriously considering converting to Christianity, hoping this would help me feel less lost and scared. Then, almost miraculously, a Fundamentalist Christian on this forum posted something so hateful that I realized that I couldn't become a Christian, and I abandoned all thoughts of doing so.

No man is the standard of Christ. If you want to know Christ, seek Him and not the picture of Him you think Christians are supposed to portray.

Admittedly by you, you don't know Christ. And not knowing Christ and not having an understanding of His Way, can you righteously say what a Christian should look like?

I really wonder what such people think they are doing by portraying Christianity as such a hateful faith.

What do you consider hateful?

I think that Jesus would not approve of such things, as He said (in John) that His followers would be recognized by their love for their fellow humans!

The Bible says in John 13:35
By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another

Men will know they are His followers by their love for fellow Christians.

Now that does not negate that they are to STILL love their neighbors, saved and unsaved, as themselves.

 

[vitodabona]

Nah, it's just a double pronged marketing scheme:
Convince the serfs with the whole salvation, super happy fun land thing

Convince the rich and powerful with the whole hell and suffering deal.

 

[Zaac]

Your words lead me to believe otherwise - that you follow your ego and your own self-righteous attitude.

Gosh, I'm not really bothered by what my words lead you to believe.If I agree with what someone says because what He says is aligned with God's Word, you can feel free to believe as you like.

If you truly followed God, you would take to heart what the Apostle Paul said about trying to accomplish things without love.

Based upon the interaction you and I have had in this thread, and this being the first interaction that I recall, you have no basis to imply that I have attempted to accomplish anything without love.

 

[Vene]

If you still have faith in religion, get rid of it. Religion can't save you.

That's because we don't need saving.
Oh and Christianity is a religion.

 

[KomissarSteve]

Gosh, I'm not really bothered by what my words lead you to believe.

Then you're not doing a terribly good job of spreading Christ's message, are you? He kinda calls upon us to care about what our words and actions cause others to believe, after all.

Based upon the interaction you and I have had in this thread, and this being the first interaction that I recall, you have no basis to imply that I have attempted to accomplish anything without love.

*shrugs* I've seen your words in this thread, and I've seen the message that you're conveying. Bear in mind, I'm not judging you as a person - it's not my place to do that. But it IS my place to judge your actions, when I believe that they're not in-line with God's message to us.

 

[Zaac]

That's because we don't need saving.

Jesus Christ knows that you do.

Oh and Christianity is a religion.

Oh...NOT.

 

[Belk]

He never does. As far as I can figure out he believes that if you are one of people God choose to be a Christian and destine to go to heaven, it doesn't matter if you believe or not, you get to go to heaven. All he is doing here is taunting people because he believes he is one of those chosen and we are not and we are going to burn for it according to him.

In my opinion, very unchristian like behavior.

Unchristian perhaps, but so very human.

 

[Zaac]

Then you're not doing a terribly good job of spreading Christ's message, are you? He kinda calls upon us to care about what our words and actions cause others to believe, after all.

I spread Christ's message by spreading His Gospel, not my words. If you are put off by me agreeing with the words of someone who agrees with the Word of God, I couldn't care less. Your hardened heart will lead you to reject whatever you want and cause you to see a foe where a friend stands.

This thread being the current example.

*shrugs* I've seen your words in this thread, and I've seen the message that you're conveying.

You've seen me agree with someone who is aligned with God's Word. The only reason you'd have something against that is if you have something against God's Word.

What message have you conveyed: that you follow your ego and your own self-righteous attitude

I agreed with what somebody else said and that was YOUR response.

[/QUOTE] Bear in mind, I'm not judging you as a person - it's not my place to do that. But it IS my place to judge your actions, when I believe that they're not in-line with God's message to us.[/QUOTE]

Are you a Christian?

 

[Vene]

Jesus Christ knows that you do.



Oh...NOT.

Yeshua Ben Yosef is dead and has been for nearly 2000 years. I doubt that he is looking over me.

And if Christianity isn't a religion, then what is it?

 

[Zaac]

Yeshua Ben Yosef is dead and has been for nearly 2000 years.

Quaint. You know a little Hebrew. But you appear to be really bad at history.

The tomb is empty . Jesus Christ is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father.

I doubt that he is looking over me.

You doubt a lot of things. Doesn't make them less true.

And if Christianity isn't a religion, then what is it?

Christ

 

[quatona]

Gosh, I'm not really bothered by what my words lead you to believe.

I find it somewhat disturbing that somebody communicates actively but isn´t bothered by the effects of his words.

 

[Zaac]

I find it somewhat disturbing that somebody communicates actively but isn´t bothered by the effects of his words.

No need to be bothered by that. Point being, folks on here will read whatever their bias directs them to and I have no control over it.

If I say that I agree with what someone says and he thinks that makes me a follower of my ego and own self-righteousness, no sweat off my brow.

Folks will make excuses to think whatever they want no matter what you say.

 

[IzzyPop]

Quaint. You know a little Hebrew. But you appear to be really bad at history.

The tomb is empty . Jesus Christ is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father.

Yeah...That wouldn't be history. That would be mythology. Maybe you could make an attempt to prove it is history, but I somehow doubt you will.

You doubt a lot of things. Doesn't make them less true.

Or less false. Someone's doubts have nothing to do with its validity or lack there off.

Christ

Non-answer.

 

[KomissarSteve]

I spread Christ's message by spreading His Gospel, not my words.

If you agree with ShieldOfFaith, as you have in this thread, then you're not spreading the Gospel; you're spreading the Old Testament. The Gospel is that God is Love and He wants to have a relationship with us, in this life AS WELL AS the next.

If you are put off by me agreeing with the words of someone who agrees with the Word of God, I couldn't care less. Your hardened heart will lead you to reject whatever you want and cause you to see a foe where a friend stands.

Uh, dude? I'm not the one who has a problem with a hardened heart; I'm the one who's interested here in teaching the Good News - ie: that God is loving and forgiving.

Quite frankly, it's your message that is counter-Scriptural:

From Psalm 103:
8 The LORD is compassionate and gracious,
slow to anger, abounding in love.
9 He will not always accuse,
nor will he harbor his anger forever;
10 he does not treat us as our sins deserve
or repay us according to our iniquities.

You've seen me agree with someone who is aligned with God's Word. The only reason you'd have something against that is if you have something against God's Word.

I have nothing against God's Word; I hold quite a bit against those who would seek to pervert God's Word to fit their narrow social agenda.

Are you a Christian?

I try to be; I leave it to God to decide whether or not I'm an adequate follower of Him.

 

[bunced]

Why is there no option for "No, the message isn't ours to preach, it is something that belongs to God and to God only - we should be spreading the good news. Judgement belongs to God alone, not to us"?

This whole thread is working from the flawed principle that "preaching of wrath" is Biblical - which is isn't. Wrath isn't the word - wrath is a bastardisation of God's message of hope with the human need to feel superior to others