Brittany Spears and her self destruction

[Maxwell511]

Let me ask you this, who are the ones who promote these standards of beauty?

Women.

 

[PassionFruit]

Women.

It's not just women. Men as well, have you seen all the magazines marketed towards men. You should read a book called the "Beauty Myth."

The reason why women are portrayed the way they are in the media is mainly to appeal to men. And maybe satisfy some male fantasy.

 

[CSmrw]

Personally, I don't think any one person deserves any more sympathy than any other. I usually feel more sympathy for people I know personally or suffer from situations with which I have personal experience.

For some odd reason, the public has shown an intense interest in the plights of selective strangers. Which does raise the question of which stories deserve to be reported. For every one crime, indiscretion, or ailment reported there are at least a hundred that are not considered newsworthy.

In this case I think it's the fact that she was tossed out there as bait for creepy old men and young girls who confuse lust with validity. And the idea of her paying a price for that is heady stuff for moralists.

 

[Maxwell511]

It's not just women. Men as well, have you seen all the magazines marketed towards men.

Nooooo.

You understand that those magazines are attractive to men not because the women in them are more attractive then the general populace. It is because the women in them show more of their attractiveness.

The reason why women are portrayed the way they are in the media is mainly to appeal to men. And maybe satisfy some male fantasy.

And men are not also portrayed in that way. Who do you prefer Johnny Deep or Brad Pitt?

Women are insanely competive about their body with other women. It is in such a way that alot of men think you are mad.

 

[stan1980]

Leave Britney alone!!

Contains some bad language:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHmvkRoEowc&feature=related

Never gets old!!!

 

[PassionFruit]

And men are not also portrayed in that way. Who do you prefer Johnny Deep or Brad Pitt?

Women are insanely competive about their body with other women. It is in such a way that alot of men think you are mad.

No, men are not portrayed as sexual objects. Not like women are, unless you want to point a time where men in music videos are dressed in revealing clothing.

That last statement reeks of sexism.

 

[stan1980]

No, men are not portrayed as sexual objects. Not like women are, unless you want to point a time where men in music videos are dressed in revealing clothing.

That last statement reeks of sexism.

Sex sells. If you're a little limited in talent, then women tend to make up for it in sex appeal. Let's face it, without sex appeal, the likes of Britney wouldn't be famous, and that's the harsh reality of life.

 

[IzzyPop]

Sex sells. If you're a little limited in talent, then women tend to make up for it in sex appeal. Let's face it, without sex appeal, the likes of Britney wouldn't be famous, and that's the harsh reality of life.

At one point and time, the harsh realities of life included slavery, child labor, discrimination based of skin color or dominate hand, and/or almost any kind of inequity you can think of. Good thing for us someone did face it, didn't like it, and changed it as opposed to accept.

The fact that women across the board are judged by their sex appeal is wrong. I run a corporate sports bar. Want to guess how many overweight female servers I have? Out of a female staff of around 30? I can walk into one of our locations, look around at the wait staff, and tell if there is a female manger on the team. How? The ratio of 'hotties' to 'notties'. And on an all male staff, the attempt to hire an all attractive female wait staff is discussed openly. It is even included on hiring recommendations. The fact that it is not when a female comes on board points pretty strongly in the direction that it is at least tacitly acknowledged as improper. But it still happens at almost every store.

 

[stan1980]

At one point and time, the harsh realities of life included slavery, child labor, discrimination based of skin color or dominate hand, and/or almost any kind of inequity you can think of. Good thing for us someone did face it, didn't like it, and changed it as opposed to accept.

The fact that women across the board are judged by their sex appeal is wrong. I run a corporate sports bar. Want to guess how many overweight female servers I have? Out of a female staff of around 30? I can walk into one of our locations, look around at the wait staff, and tell if there is a female manger on the team. How? The ratio of 'hotties' to 'notties'. And on an all male staff, the attempt to hire an all attractive female wait staff is discussed openly. It is even included on hiring recommendations. The fact that it is not when a female comes on board points pretty strongly in the direction that it is at least tacitly acknowledged as improper. But it still happens at almost every store.

I can see your point. So how do you suggest society changes?

 

[CSmrw]

No, men are not portrayed as sexual objects. Not like women are, unless you want to point a time where men in music videos are dressed in revealing clothing.

That last statement reeks of sexism.

Sex is not the only base instinct that can be used to sell things. Nor is it necessarily the worst. The real issue is who has the most disposable income, not how to get their income from them. Explosionism, lolitism, gorism, milfism, extremism, rebellionism all work on the target: bored, repressed and intellectually underdeveloped men. They make more and they understand less. And because we like it that way we can all look forward to many generations of this cat and mouse game played with the male ego. And a certain number of refugees and victims.

 

[feral]

I used to think it was totally the media's fault when things like this got covered ad nauseum, but now, I tend to blame the people who watch "E!", read magazines that track the minutes in a celebrity's life and fawn over the latest tragedy like someone driving slowly past a car wreck just to enjoy the carnage. The media is a business, designed to make money. They push what sells. If no one expressed an interest in what celebrities ate or weighed, there would no longer be snapshots of celebs eating burgers and doughnuts inside magazines. If no one expressed more than brief concern when a celeb faced a tragedy - which I think is the healthy expression when it comes to grieving for someone you've never met's death or disappointment - there wouldn't be endless shows about this or that person's suffering. The trouble is, people eat this stuff up as though they have no life outside of what famous people do. Mary-Kate Olsen's anorexia was big news because a bunch of teen girls wanted to be her and a bunch of older people wanted to gape at her. Brittney Spears' mental troubles are splashed all over the media because people are dedicating large portions of their time to worrying about her life when they could be, oh, enoying a bubble bath and a book, and tending to their own lives and the lives of their loved ones.

I think once people realize what celebrities are - people exactly like yourself and everyone else you've ever met, who are photographed in the best light with the best makeup, with flaws and embarrassments and skills like all the rest - they become less interested in them. I think people who can't get over celebs need to ask themselves what exactly they are seeking by their obsession with famous people. It's fine to admire a singer's voice or an actor's skill, but why invest energy, time and money to follow their personal lives, of which you will never be a part? Why not concentrate on finding the greatness in your own friends instead, and focussing on what is interesting in your own life (or making it interesting if you need to)?

I think that would be an ideal solution to the frenzy over things like this.

 

[stan1980]

I tend to blame the people who watch "E!", read magazines that track the minutes in a celebrity's life and fawn over the latest tragedy like someone driving slowly past a car wreck just to enjoy the carnage.

One thing i've noticed is that it only tends to be women and homosexuals who buy these celeb magazines. Why is it that these groups are so fascinated by other peoples lives?

I don't know one straight guy who buys such magazines. Yes, some men buy mens mags, but as far as im aware, these mags don't pay freelance photographers to follow celebrities about.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

One thing i've noticed is that it only tends to be women and homosexuals who buy these celeb magazines. Why is it that these groups are so fascinated by other peoples lives?

I don't know one straight guy who buys such magazines. Yes, some men buy mens mags, but as far as im aware, these mags don't pay freelance photographers to follow celebrities about.

because women have a predisposition to be interested in socialisation, men have a predisposition towards spatial mathematics.

This is wh women TEND to be better at keeping track of inter personal relationships and gossip, while being less skilled at spatial tasks, while men are TEND to be less interested in social concerns and better at spatial tasks

 

[quatona]

because women have a predisposition to be interested in socialisation, men have a predisposition towards spatial mathematics.

What´s the cause for women having a predisposition to be interested in socialisation, and men having a predisposition towards spatial mathematics?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

What´s the cause for women having a predisposition to be interested in socialisation, and men having a predisposition towards spatial mathematics?

theor is that in evolutionary terms, men, being the hunters, tend towards specialisation involving tools and spatial relations, while women, being the gatherers, and, when pregnant, limited to less strenuous activities, became the organisers of tribal groups, responsible for organising socialisation, customary and fertility activities.

This is why your grandmother can recite your family lineage, and how the most obscure, distant relation fits into the family tree, but can't reverse park, and your father can square a mitre cut by eye, but has trouble remembering aniversaries and birthdays

 

[Maxwell511]

No, men are not portrayed as sexual objects. Not like women are, unless you want to point a time where men in music videos are dressed in revealing clothing.

I am really trying to think of the last time I saw a 50 cent music video where he did wear a shirt.

That last statement reeks of sexism.

Again I have to say .

A person is a sexist when they think that the other gender is inferior. Did my statement imply that women are inferior*?

* Keeping in mind that insane focus (i.e. madness) is not restricted to your gender, men are just as crazy.

 

[PassionFruit]

I am really trying to think of the last time I saw a 50 cent music video where he did wear a shirt.



Again I have to say .

A person is a sexist when they think that the other gender is inferior. Did my statement imply that women are inferior*?

* Keeping in mind that insane focus (i.e. madness) is not restricted to your gender, men are just as crazy.

You generalized women by saying we're all in competition with each other Maybe not inherently sexist but it was a generalization. 50 Cent not wearing a shirt in a music video, even so I don't see him being sexualized. Nor Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt, men aren't sexualized the same way women are. They just aren't.

Men are just as crazy? Ummm.....why would you say that? Do you have this view towards humanity in general?

 

[Maxwell511]

You generalized women by saying we're all in competition with each other.

If women were not in competition with each other they would not be human. That is our nature.

I just pointed out a subject that women are more competitive about than men.

50 Cent not wearing a shirt in a music video, even so I don't see him being sexualized. Nor Johnny Depp or Brad Pitt, men aren't sexualized the same way women are.

Of course men are not "sexualized" in the same way women are. There is a really obvious reason for that, it has to do with the fact that men and women differ in some aspects. You think differently, you are not (in my opinion) stupid enough to get turned on simply by the removal of clothing. We are.

Gender equality is not about being the same it is about being equal.

 

[PassionFruit]

Of course men are not "sexualized" in the same way women are. There is a really obvious reason for that, it has to do with the fact that men and women differ in some aspects.

Yeah, so what are those "aspects?" Would you like to share a few?

And to answer your previous question, I think I'd go with Johnny Depp. There's something about him.

 

[Maxwell511]

Yeah, so what are those "aspects?" Would you like to share a few?

What I said in the last post is the major one. When it comes to sexual attraction women go more for personality then men do.

And to answer your previous question, I think I'd go with Johnny Depp. There's something about him.

Everyone always says Johnny Depp.