Britian leaving EU?

[Jutta2]

We don't mind taking genuine refugees. We just want to be able to control how many we take, make sure they want, and apply for jobs, not live off our benefits system and not come here just for free health care and then go home again.

The problem is that you would not even have Europeans among you who want to work there. You want to foreclose you. And there is freedom to travel in Europe. You think racist (British first), rather than to see you as part of the European Community. You want to take advantage of Europe, but not the disadvantages. But you can not have one without the other!
And another thing: Most refugees who come to Europe, are war and civil war refugees. Few are economic refugees. And no one can accuse them that they want a better life, after Europe has ruined its economy in many countries. Somali fishermen went bankrupt and became pirates because large corporations, is attended by bribery, and often without the right to fish in Somali waters. Agriculture in Nigeria, Sudan and Ivory Coast is by cheap meat from Europe on the ground. And since the Europeans and the British surprised that these people want to join Europe, because nobody else wants?

I think almost all the above has been happening - I understand that there were leaflets written for people telling them how to get free stuff in Britain. To some people, we are a soft touch.

In Europe, we are in solidarity with each other and with others, or should be, at least. That Britain is, like many others, especially Eastern European countries foreclose, one day will avenge bloody. People will not forget and will not forgive! Mark my words when the next attacks by fundamentalists (Christian or Muslim) happened!

We are also only a small island and do not have limitless space.

You call yourselves GREAT, but be a little country? What about Ireland, Scotland, southern England (where I often spend my vacation)? What with the many small islands off the coast of Great Britain, which are partly not, some sparsely inhabited? Germany is less than the UK, but has more refugees to date. may remain Much of our refugees (forever, or for a certain time), a portion will be deported because they do not fulfill the refugee criteria.

 

[Jutta2]

They may be from Wales but they are still British. They would give their country of residence as UK.

It was not a voluntary decision of the people of Wales, to join the Club Great Britain. They were, as the Irish and Scots, forced by violence to do so.

 

[Strong in Him]

The problem is that you would not even have Europeans among you who want to work there.

I don't know that that's true. Many of the nurses in our previous local hospital were from the Philippines; they specifically recruited from there, and other countries.

And there is freedom to travel in Europe. You think racist (British first), rather than to see you as part of the European Community.

We would still be in Europe, trade with Europe, visit Europe etc - just like other countries which are not in the EU do. It's just that we would be allowed to rule our country, and not Brussels. Do you know that if someone is sentenced to prison here and they don't like their sentence or their conditions, they can appeal to the European courts and get their sentence reduced/get the vote/get better conditions? Why have we got judges in other countries telling us how we can punish people who commit crimes?

And another thing: Most refugees who come to Europe, are war and civil war refugees. Few are economic refugees.

Yes that's probably true. But we still want some control over our borders and the number of refugees that we take.

In Europe, we are in solidarity with each other and with others, or should be, at least. That Britain is, like many others, especially Eastern European countries foreclose, one day will avenge bloody. People will not forget and will not forgive! Mark my words when the next attacks by fundamentalists (Christian or Muslim) happened!

I'm not sure what you're saying here.
If it is that we might one day be attacked by Muslim fundamentalists and that if we leave Europe, the other countries will say "serve you right" and refuse to help, just because we have left the European Union - that sounds amazingly petty. It also sounds rather like blackmail actually; "stay in the EU or we won't help you when you suffer violence". I'm sure that's not what you mean, but it sounds like it, and I don't believe it's true.

You call yourselves GREAT, but be a little country? What about Ireland, Scotland, southern England (where I often spend my vacation)?

What about them? Great Britain is made up of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
We can't help the size of our country, nor the name that someone chose to give it.

 

[Strong in Him]

It was not a voluntary decision of the people of Wales, to join the Club Great Britain. They were, as the Irish and Scots, forced by violence to do so.

I don't think so.
They are part of Great Britain because the land is physically joined to ours - you can't cut Scotland off. But they did recently have a referendum about independence; do we stay as part of the UK or leave and become independent? If they had left, then Scotland would have looked after their own economy, had their own health system, made their own rules and paid for everything themselves. They would not have been ruled, or subsidised, by Westminister, and in fact would have become another country - even though they remain physically joined to England. But the Scottish people chose to remain part of the UK.
I believe there have been similar discussions in Wales about independence.

 

[Jutta2]

I don't know that that's true. Many of the nurses in our previous local hospital were from the Philippines; they specifically recruited from there, and other countries.

The British government wants no one from Poland, Romania, Hungary, and other Eastern European countries. But these people are Europeans, and have a right to work in the UK, and if they are unemployed or ill, to get help. This is European law! You want to have just the icing on the cake, maybe the cake, but not the pastry chef who makes the cake. That is selfish and racist! But the british have always been big racists, if I alone look at me the past 50 years, as Pakistanis, Africans and Indians were treated in the UK, or which racist sayings have already come alone from the royal family of Prince Charles and Prince Phillip.

We would still be in Europe, trade with Europe, visit Europe etc - just like other countries which are not in the EU do. It's just that we would be allowed to rule our country, and not Brussels. Do you know that if someone is sentenced to prison here and they don't like their sentence or their conditions, they can appeal to the European courts and get their sentence reduced/get the vote/get better conditions? Why have we got judges in other countries telling us how we can punish people who commit crimes?

Like I said, you want to have the amenities, without wanting to pay the price. In many areas, European countries are much further than Europe in terms of laws. As a woman who loves women, I know how the British legislation homosexuals has suppressed decades (similar to the German legislation). Therein Germany is on; though still much to do. I can only say that I am glad when the British opt for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union, because we finally are these troublemakers going.

Yes that's probably true. But we still want some control over our borders and the number of refugees that we take.

Every f*** country in the EU has sovereignty over the country's own interests. There are just some things that concern all, and must be decided by all of it. No one had expected this mass of refugees. But, instead of being part of the solution to the problem, the British want to be rather part of the problem! Shall they! But they should not be surprised if four Millonen export jobs suddenly disappear in their country, as a newspaper report says.

I'm not sure what you're saying here.
If it is that we might one day be attacked by Muslim fundamentalists and that if we leave Europe, the other countries will say "serve you right" and refuse to help, just because we have left the European Union - that sounds amazingly petty. It also sounds rather like blackmail actually; "stay in the EU or we won't help you when you suffer violence". I'm sure that's not what you mean, but it sounds like it, and I don't believe it's true.

I talked about fundamentalist terrorists, Christian and Muslim. Please do not pick and choose.

What about them? Great Britain is made up of England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales.
We can't help the size of our country, nor the name that someone chose to give it.

What makes a country great? His surface? Its inhabitants? His achievements? His history? All this may make a country great! But there have always been the decisions for their own people and other peoples who have made a nation great.

 

[Jutta2]

I don't think so.
They are part of Great Britain because the land is physically joined to ours - you can't cut Scotland off. But they did recently have a referendum about independence; do we stay as part of the UK or leave and become independent? If they had left, then Scotland would have looked after their own economy, had their own health system, made their own rules and paid for everything themselves. They would not have been ruled, or subsidised, by Westminister, and in fact would have become another country - even though they remain physically joined to England. But the Scottish people chose to remain part of the UK.
I believe there have been similar discussions in Wales about independence.

Only recognizes the German history has shown that you can cut off / divide a country. Northern Ireland wants to join the rest of Ireland, and was prevented by force of arms on it. Now try the irish it by political means, and when the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union takes place, and I pray that it happens, both countries again be unite. Scotland was linked with the promise of England that England remain in the EU. If the British opt for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union, Scotland is nothing to keep the unloved UK, they will go and join the EU. Something similar could happen with Wales. Then England would again lousy little island that it has always been.

 

[Strong in Him]

The British government wants no one from Poland, Romania, Hungary, and other Eastern European countries. But these people are Europeans, and have a right to work in the UK, and if they are unemployed or ill, to get help. This is European law! You want to have just the icing on the cake, maybe the cake, but not the pastry chef who makes the cake. That is selfish and racist! But the british have always been big racists, if I alone look at me the past 50 years, as Pakistanis, Africans and Indians were treated in the UK, or which racist sayings have already come alone from the royal family of Prince Charles and Prince Phillip.



Like I said, you want to have the amenities, without wanting to pay the price. In many areas, European countries are much further than Europe in terms of laws. As a woman who loves women, I know how the British legislation homosexuals has suppressed decades (similar to the German legislation). Therein Germany is on; though still much to do. I can only say that I am glad when the British opt for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union, because we finally are these troublemakers going.



Every f*** country in the EU has sovereignty over the country's own interests. There are just some things that concern all, and must be decided by all of it. No one had expected this mass of refugees. But, instead of being part of the solution to the problem, the British want to be rather part of the problem! Shall they! But they should not be surprised if four Millonen export jobs suddenly disappear in their country, as a newspaper report says.



I talked about fundamentalist terrorists, Christian and Muslim. Please do not pick and choose.



What makes a country great? His surface? Its inhabitants? His achievements? His history? All this may make a country great! But there have always been the decisions for their own people and other peoples who have made a nation great.

Well you are entitled to your own beliefs and I don't know much about the EU anyway.
But please don't imply that I'm racist - or my country, come to that.

 

[Jutta2]

Well you are entitled to your own beliefs and I don't know much about the EU anyway.
But please don't imply that I'm racist - or my country, come to that.

I would never say that you are a Racist. Because I know you too little to say it. But I have lived long enough in the UK (London, Sussex and Durham in particular), to see how racially especially the middle - and upper classes in the UK is. So I was a witness, as a doctor from Pakistan was insulted by an English woman of the upper class (the wife of a nobleman) as "dirty" and "terrorist" (that was before the attack on the WTC in New York). And another time, I was a guest in an expensive golf club, where my host speak bad to the obvious African waitress because he got no second cup of tea to his scones?
The simple British people should have few racists. Most racists are in higher classes of the UK Society.

 

[magicaxeman]

Every f*** country in the EU has sovereignty over the country's own interests. There are just some things that concern all, and must be decided by all of it. No one had expected this mass of refugees. But, instead of being part of the solution to the problem, the British want to be rather part of the problem! Shall they! But they should not be surprised if four Millonen export jobs suddenly disappear in their country, as a newspaper report says.
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Please don't use bad language on here, this is a Christian forum and such language is unacceptable and against the rules.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

No one had expected this mass of refugees.

Nobody? Jean Raspail saw it coming more than forty years ago...

 

[Bethany35]

am not sure Brexit has much chance left now Johnson went and called EU nazis *facepalms*

 

[Jutta2]

Nobody? Jean Raspail saw it coming more than forty years ago...

Not correct! This degree of refugees due to civil war, war, famine and displacement, no one saw coming. Not forty years ago not ten years ago not five years ago. I just hope that the selfish British vote for the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union. Because then Europe is this permanent troublemaker; of all boycotts, and special rights for his lousy little island wants finally happening! PLEASE, LEAVE THE EU. IT IS BETTER FOR US!

 

[Strong in Him]

am not sure Brexit has much chance left now Johnson went and called EU nazis *facepalms*

Apparently he may be in trouble with the EU commissioner if we stay. But if all our actions/decisions were dependent on Boris not saying anything stupid, we'd never get anywhere or make any.

 

[Strong in Him]

PLEASE, LEAVE THE EU. IT IS BETTER FOR US!

No other country seem to want us to leave. I'm not sure if that's because they value us, or because we prop them up/subsidise them and they wouldn't survive without us.

 

[Jutta2]

No other country seem to want us to leave. I'm not sure if that's because they value us, or because we prop them up/subsidise them and they wouldn't survive without us.

European politicians would prefer to see the British out of the EU, but they are afraid that the EU is falling apart even more, so they do everything to keep the British in the EU, and make further concessions. The common people, whether in France, Germany, Poland or Greece, have had enough of the British, who always want special rules for themselves, but never willing to comply with the European rules of coexistence and working together. For us Brits are grumblers, and we are happy if the referendum on the Proposed referendum on United Kingdom membership of the European Union as proceeds that the British leave the EU; because the one concern is less for Europe.

 

[Bethany35]

these are exactly tyhe people I think of when I think of Brexit

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-group-photo-hitler-salute-buchenwald-twitter

 

[Jutta2]

These People are BRITISH NAZI, not German Nazis. We both have a problem with people like this, in GB and in Germany. And they are smart enough to be in line. What has this link to do with the topic?

 

[Bethany35]

These People are BRITISH NAZI, not German Nazis. We both have a problem with people like this, in GB and in Germany. And they are smart enough to be in line. What has this link to do with the topic?

I find a lot of the same people backing Brexit under guidance of Scum, Mirage and Fail.

 

[mindlight]

I'd quite happily see the individual US states competing in the Commonwealth Games.

No just the 13 colonies. The rest were never really in our empire. I suppose like Mozambique they could join the Commonwealth though also. Maybe they should accept the Queen as head of state first ;-)

 

[mindlight]

Help me understand this. Why is Britian considering leaving the EU? And why would the US care one way or another?

The main argument in favour of leaving is sovereignty. Basically why should decisions be made in Brussels by unelected bureaucrats about Britains future. Britain is a massive net contributor to the EU budget. There is also discussion about how good some of Europes decisions have been recently over refugees, Greek bailouts, Equality legislation e.g. gay marriage etc and the value of the Euro project.

Those in favour of staying often stress the economic benefits, the costs of changing the current arrangement. The left wing in the UK see the socialist benefits and regulation of the EU reinforcing their own left wing instincts. The Scottish nationalists envisage a future in which a tiny Scottish nation could coexist in the larger context of the EU.

I am 60-40 in favour of staying in because I think Britain needs the outward focus that the EU provides, that Europe together has a greater probability of peace and prosperity than a fragmented Europe and because I see a fragmented Europe as being more open to manipulation by rising powers with the global instability that that would then entail. I do believe that Europe needs reforming and that that reform is more likely to happen if Britain remains a member than if it leaves.