Breaking the commandments

[visionary]

The LORD doesn't call immersion after a woman's monthly period "ritual immersion," but that's what it is. Ritual is ritual.

It may be a ritual to you, but to me it is a very important duty for my health, both physically and spiritually. There is no ritual about it.

 

[Meowzltov]

It may be a ritual to you, but to me it is a very important duty for my health, both physically and spiritually. There is no ritual about it.

You think that ritual immersion is nothing more than taking a bath? It's a spiritual cleansing. It has nothing to do with cleaning our bodies. Thus, it is ritual.

"Ritual immersion in a mikveh - a gathering of living water (mayyim hayyim) - marks a change in status. People immerse at Mayyim Hayyim to celebrate moments of joy, to heal after times of sorrow or illness, or to commemorate transitions and changes." Using the Mikveh | Mayyim Hayyim

 

[visionary]

You think that ritual immersion is nothing more than taking a bath? It's a spiritual cleansing. It has nothing to do with cleaning our bodies. Thus, it is ritual.

"Ritual immersion in a mikveh - a gathering of living water (mayyim hayyim) - marks a change in status. People immerse at Mayyim Hayyim to celebrate moments of joy, to heal after times of sorrow or illness, or to commemorate transitions and changes." Using the Mikveh | Mayyim Hayyim

Really!!!! Nathan was told to Mikvah.. seven times.. cleansing himself of leprosy .. no ritual about it.

 

[Meowzltov]

Really!!!! Nathan was told to Mikvah.. seven times.. cleansing himself of leprosy .. no ritual about it.

OMGosh. I think you don't understand what ritual means.

 

[visionary]

ritual .. meaningless movements and or words done on a regular basis.. which just goes to prove some people repeat the same mistakes and think they are going to get a different answer

 

[Meowzltov]

ritual .. meaningless movements and or words done on a regular basis

See! I *knew* you didn't understand what ritual is! Visionary, you have your own unique definition. The actual definition says nothing about it being meaningless. Indeed, ritual can be highly meaningful and bring us closer to the Lord. That's why I am trying to point out to you the ritual in your own life -- because I know how much it blesses you.

 

[visionary]

See! I *knew* you didn't understand what ritual is! Visionary, you have your own unique definition. The actual definition says nothing about it being meaningless. Indeed, ritual can be highly meaningful and bring us closer to the Lord. That's why I am trying to point out to you the ritual in your own life -- because I know how much it blesses you.

Sorry.. but kissing the toes of an image maybe a wonderful "ritual" and "highly meaningful" in what is thought to bring people closer to the Lord, but it is hogwash.. just a meaningless ritual.

 

[Meowzltov]

Sorry.. but kissing the toes of an image maybe a wonderful "ritual" and "highly meaningful" in what is thought to bring people closer to the Lord, but it is hogwash.. just a meaningless ritual.

Let's assume it is meaningless to you. Fine, then don't do it. That doesn't mean that you don't have highly meaningful rituals of your own.

 

[visionary]

See! I *knew* you didn't understand what ritual is! Visionary, you have your own unique definition. The actual definition says nothing about it being meaningless. Indeed, ritual can be highly meaningful and bring us closer to the Lord. That's why I am trying to point out to you the ritual in your own life -- because I know how much it blesses you.

Rituals are only highly meaningful to those who believe the delusion that it brings them closer to God, like God want some ritual prayer repeated over and over again by the masses.

 

[Meowzltov]

Rituals are only highly meaningful to those who believe the delusion that it brings them closer to God, like God want some ritual prayer repeated over and over again by the masses.

The rituals you participate in, given by God to Israel, DO bring you closer to Him.

 

[Steve Petersen]

The rituals you participate in, given by God to Israel, DO bring you closer to Him.

Think of it. In Temple times, the sacrifices people brought were called korbanot. Korban (singular) mean 'to draw near!'

 

[visionary]

The rituals you participate in, given by God to Israel, DO bring you closer to Him.

Since God commanded them, but gave no instructions on the rituals man has incorporated into them, they are not rituals.

 

[visionary]

God is not a God of rituals.

 

[Meowzltov]

Think of it. In Temple times, the sacrifices people brought were called korbanot. Korban (singular) mean 'to draw near!'

Wow!!!! I am TRYING to remember that tidbit. It would be great to pull it out next time someone says, "the only thing the law was good for was showing us what terrible sinners we are." Thanks brother!

 

[Meowzltov]

Since God commanded them, but gave no instructions on the rituals man has incorporated into them, they are not rituals.

You are not using the word "ritual" correctly. And it is not your privelage to redefine the word. Ritual immersion after menstruation is an example of a meaningful ritual given by Hashem. To say that this is not a ritual is to radically re-define the word, instead of using English.

It's quite different than bathing for cleanliness after menstruation. If one was concerned with cleanliness, one might use soap and hot water, it would probably be in a bathtub where the water wasn't living, and would probably include douching. IOW nothing at all like the immersion in Scripture.

 

[visionary]

You are not using the word "ritual" correctly. And it is not your privelage to redefine the word. Ritual immersion after menstruation is an example of a meaningful ritual given by Hashem. To say that this is not a ritual is to radically re-define the word, instead of using English.

It's quite different than bathing for cleanliness after menstruation. If one was concerned with cleanliness, one might use soap and hot water, it would probably be in a bathtub where the water wasn't living, and would probably include douching. IOW nothing at all like the immersion in Scripture.

That is not a ritual, it has purpose.

 

[Meowzltov]

That is not a ritual, it has purpose.

Again, you are trying to redefine ritual. Ritual has purpose. Especially the rituals given by God to Israel. What do you think the purpose of ritual immersion after menstruation is? It's NOT to get physically clean. It is to remove ritual impurity.

 

[visionary]

Again, you are trying to redefine ritual. Ritual has purpose. Especially the rituals given by God to Israel. What do you think the purpose of ritual immersion after menstruation is? It's NOT to get physically clean. It is to remove ritual impurity.

God given purposes are not found in rituals made by man. God doesn't make rituals.

 

[Meowzltov]

God given purposes are not found in rituals made by man. God doesn't make rituals.

How can you read the Torah, and then say God doesn't make rituals? Only by making up your own definition of ritual.

 

[visionary]

How can you read the Torah, and then say God doesn't make rituals? Only by making up your own definition of ritual.

Because God doesn't make rituals... If you think God makes rituals, then you do not know God. There is nothing ritualistic about God or His methods or means.