Breaking News Science Proves God Created Universe :Scientists Absolutely Shocked By Early Galaxies Existing that Should be Evolutionarily Impossible

[BobRyan]

Have you found cows with dinosaurs or birds with trilobites in the same geological layer?

Flood dynamics results in a kind of sorting - due to densities and the way things settle during water perturbation. Even so there is story telling every time what is "expected" is not found as evolutionists imagine it should be found - so then

"Forbidden Archeology, by Cremo and Thompson, lists some out-of-place human artifacts. They wrote the book from a westernized Hindu perspective to show that humans were present from antiquity, as required for the eons of multi-cycles of reincarnation of Hindu belief. (True Hindus are not concerned about such rationalizing, believing the physical world to be illusory.) Cremo and Thompson are not worried about the millions of years, just whether humans were there. "

FOSSILS REVEAL ‘OUT OF ORDER’ EVOLUTION – Evolution is a Myth

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[trophy33]

Flood dynamics results in a kind of sorting - due to densities and the way things settle during water perturbation.

Not sure what you mean by that. The density of a cow is different from the density of a saber-toothed tiger?

If anything a wild event like flood should mix everything together into a ball of mud, wood, plants and animal bodies, not put everything politely into layers that make sense in evolution, from earliest organisms to today's.

 

[BobRyan]

Not sure what you mean by that. The density of a cow is different from the density of a saber-toothed tiger?

The density of shell fish is different from the density of a cow.

Or to use your example "dinosaurs or birds with trilobites" -- Trilobites sort because of density difference with "cow" and "reptile"

FOSSILS REVEAL ‘OUT OF ORDER’ EVOLUTION – Evolution is a Myth

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"Flowering plants in the Precambrian. Pollen fossils, evidence of flowering plants preexisting to spread the pollen, were found in the Precambrian strata. Flowering plants were thought to first have evolved 160 million years ago, however, the Precambrian strata is supposed as being as old as 4.6 billion years old but no less than 550 million years ago according to Encyclopedia Britannica. Even taking the earliest possible placement of the Precambrian layer at 550 million years ago, this places flowering plants in the fossil record at least 390 million years before they were supposed to have evolved. (1)

"Birds predate dinosaurs. Another example are dinosaurs which are thought to have perhaps never went extinct and ultimately evolved into modern birds we have today.

The 52-million-year-old rock layer of Fossil Lake in Wyoming holds abundant, exceptionally preserved fossils, such as this early songbird (Eozygodactylus americanus)
PHOTOGRAPH BY ROBERT CLARK
PHOTOGRAPHED AT THE FIELD MUSEUM, CHICAGO

"The fossil record does not support this conclusion by placing bird fossils before many dinosaurs. The famous fossil called Archaeopteryx places the first bird at 150 million years ago although dinosaurs went extinct approximately 68 million years ago.

 

[stevevw]

So what if The JWT continues to find massive mature galaxies right back to arouned 300 million years after when the Big Bang supposedly happened. What would this do to the Standard Model.

 

[The Barbarian]

There is no place on Earth where the evolutionary story is actually observed in history -- only small snips that are sometimes useful and other times not.

Well, let's ask an informed YE creationist:

Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species —include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms
and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile
groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the
various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39 Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for
macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certainly CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.
YE Creationist Kurt Wise, Toward a Creationist Understanding ot Transitional Forms

As you see, there are many, many such cases.

 

[The Barbarian]

"Birds predate dinosaurs.

Well, let's take a look...

The oldest dinosaur that even remotely looks birdlike is Protoavis, which is only known from one fragmentary specimen, and the the fragments may come from several different species.
The Protoavis, an extinct ancient dinosaur hails from what is now the country of the United States in the continent of North America. Belonging to the late Triassic period, it is believed to have lived on earth around 210 million years ago. A small carnivore, the creature is named the “first bird”, an implication that this creature could very well be the first of the living organisms that was capable of flight.
The late Triassic is the last of the three periods of the Triassic. The three stages of Carnian, Norian and Rhaetian together constitute the Upper or late Triassic period.

Protoavis dinosaur

A brief description with facts about the Protoavis extinct dinosaur

dinosaurfact.net

But whatever it is, they existed about 210 million years ago. The earliest dinosaur Herrerasaurus, is about 231million years old. The oldest known true bird, Asteriornis maastrichtensis is about 67 million years old. But there were a lot of almost-birds much earlier. One well-respected ornithologist even contends that birds and dinosaurs arose independently from a common thecodont ancestor. The fossil record since that time has pretty much convinced most scientists that birds are dinosaurs and evolved from a specific line of bipedal dinosaurs.

 

[BobRyan]

https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j10_1/j10_1_026-027.pdf

"I have to disagree with Dr Kurt Wise when he suggests that creationists
should not be concerned with the issue of 'transitional forms'.1

1. Denton, M., 1985. Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, Adler and Adler, Bethesda, Maryland​

" The creation-evolution issue is a battle, and the lack of transitional forms in the
fossil record has long been recognized as evolution's biggest weakness.

"Darwin himself wrote that the lack of fossil intermediates was 'perhaps . . . the most serious objection which can be urged
against my theory.' 2

2. Darwin, C, 1859. On the imperfection of the​

geological record. The Origin of Species,​

1971 edition, J. M. Dent and Sons, London,​

Chapter 10, p. 293.​

"More recently, Professor Stephen J. Gould admitted that the lack oftransitional forms 'persists as the trade secret of paleontology. 3

3. Gould, S. J., 1977. Evolution's erratic pace. Natural History, 86(5):14.​

"It is not necessary for creationists to expend resources on a 'world tour of museums' to investigate the fossil record.

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"Will we ever be able to account for God's sovereignty in the design of 'mosaics'?
I don't think so, but neither are they strong evidence for a continuous view of nature.
It's also useful to remember that skeletal characteristics alone are
insufficient for designating a particular organism or species as intermediate
because probably 90 per cent or more of the biology of most organisms
resides in their soft anatomy, which is largely inaccessible in a fossil (for
example, the major difference between amphibians and reptiles lies in their
reproductive systems;"

 

[The Barbarian]

"I have to disagree with Dr Kurt Wise when he suggests that creationists
should not be concerned with the issue of 'transitional forms'.1
1. Denton, M., 1985. Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, Adler and Adler, Bethesda, Maryland
" The creation-evolution issue is a battle, and the lack of transitional forms in the
fossil record has long been recognized as evolution's biggest weakness.

As you see, Dr. Wise points out a very large number of transitional series, which he correctly points out validate Darwin's predictions that such transitional series would have to exist if evolution were true.

BTW, Denton seems to have revised his thinking. From a more recent work, Nature's Destiny:

t is important to emphasize at the outset that the argument presented here is entirely consistent with the basic naturalistic assumption of modern science–that the cosmos is a seamless unity which can be comprehended in its entirety by human reason and in which all phenomena, including life and evolution and the origin of man, are ultimately explicable in terms of natural processes. This is an assumption which is entirely opposed to that of the so-called “special creationist school.” According to special creationism, living organisms are not natural forms, whose origin and design were built into the laws of nature from the beginning, but rather contingent forms analogous in essence to human artifacts, the result of a series of supernatural acts, involving God’s direct intervention in the course of nature, each of which involved the suspension of natural law. Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world–that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies.
In large measure, therefore, the teleological argument presented here and the special creationist worldview are mutually exclusive accounts of the world. In the last analysis, evidence for one is evidence against the other. Put simply, the more convincing is the evidence for believing that the world is prefabricated to the end of life, that the design is built into the laws of nature, the less credible becomes the special creationist worldview.[4]

Michael Denton Nature's Destiny 1998 (my emphasis)

"Darwin himself wrote that the lack of fossil intermediates was ...

"Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory. The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record."

As Dr. Wise points out, Darwin's prediction was correct, and over time, a huge number of transitional series have been found, validating Darwin's predictions.

 

[BobRyan]

Not sure what you mean by that. The density of a cow is different from the density of a saber-toothed tiger?

They are found 'in the wrong order' then "dismissed"

FOSSILS OUT OF ORDER: EVOLUTION’S EMBARRASSMENT – The Teaching Ministry of Bill Nugent

 

[The Barbarian]

They are found 'in the wrong order' then "dismissed"

FOSSILS OUT OF ORDER: EVOLUTION’S EMBARRASSMENT – The Teaching Ministry of Bill Nugent

I took a look at his stuff. It's all things like this:

Horse fossils are found out of order. In Oregon, alleged intermediate forms, three toed Neohipparion is found in the same strata layer with one toed Pliohippus.

In other words, Bill believes that if you're alive, your uncle has to be dead. You see the reverse error in which people ask "if humans evolved from apes, why are there still apes?" How silly.

 

[Truth Crusader238]

great post!

your link says this (from Feb 22,2023)

"In a new study, an international team of astrophysicists has discovered several mysterious objects hiding in images from the James Webb Space Telescope: six potential galaxies that emerged so early in the universe’s history and are so massive they should not be possible under current cosmological theory.​

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Each of the candidate galaxies may have existed at the dawn of the universe roughly 500 to 700 million years after the Big Bang, or more than 13 billion years ago. They’re also gigantic, containing almost as many stars as the modern-day Milky Way Galaxy.​

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“It’s bananas,” said Erica Nelson, co-author of the new research and assistant professor of astrophysics at CU Boulder. “You just don’t expect the early universe to be able to organize itself that quickly. These galaxies should not have had time to form.”​

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Nelson and her colleagues, including first author Ivo Labbé of the Swinburne University of Technology in Australia, published their results Feb. 22 in the journal Nature."​

The story telling that evolutionists/cosmologists use is that the early galaxies were very small and crashed into each other to gradually form larger galaxies over billions of years of time. So 500 million years from the big bang with the equivalent of our own Milky Way right out of the gate...sounds more like "and God said let there be..."

Your link goes on to say

"The latest finds aren’t the earliest galaxies observed by James Webb, which launched in December 2021 and is the most powerful telescope ever sent into space. Last year, another team of scientists spotted several galaxies that likely coalesced from gas around 350 million years after the Big Bang. Those objects, however, were downright shrimpy compared to the new galaxies, containing many times less mass from stars.​

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"The researchers still need more data to confirm that these galaxies are as large, and date as far back in time, as they appear. Their preliminary observations, however, offer a tantalizing taste of how James Webb could rewrite astronomy textbooks.​

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oh well that is the nature of guessing. The problem with it is when they start covering up the fact that they are guessing and make it appear as if current guessing is instead - "proven fact observed", not merely "a guess".

Science will NEVER prove the existence of God !! Because God is a Spirit and He cannot be found with human logic and microscopes, telescopes, detectors or any drug they can devise in their laboratories to increase awareness and perception. God is found by a broken and contrite spirit and faith

 

[The Barbarian]

Science will NEVER prove the existence of God !! Because God is a Spirit and He cannot be found with human logic and microscopes, telescopes, detectors or any drug they can devise in their laboratories to increase awareness and perception. God is found by a broken and contrite spirit and faith

Today's winner.

 

[steve78]

Science will NEVER prove the existence of God !! Because God is a Spirit and He cannot be found with human logic and microscopes, telescopes, detectors or any drug they can devise in their laboratories to increase awareness and perception. God is found by a broken and contrite spirit and faith

If God is real an active in this universe then science should be able to detect this in some form.

 

[trophy33]

If God is real an active in this universe then science should be able to detect this in some form.

Science is there only for a very short period of time and most of it was focused on the macro and purely mechanical world.

Only in the recent times some more mysterious truths about the fabric of our existence and of our universe are coming out of shadows.

 

[steve78]

Science is there only for a very short period of time and most of it was focused on the macro and purely mechanical world.

Only in the recent times some more mysterious truths about the fabric of our existence and of our universe are coming out of shadows.

Supernatural is such an ignorant word. It just gives a lazy excuse to explain things that we are don't yet understand. Everything has a scientific explanation, its just that we have yet to learn it.

Take most of Jesus miracles, there are alternative explanations as to how they were done. Walking on water and turning into wine? Any decent magician can perform those tricks.

 

[The Barbarian]

If God is real an active in this universe then science should be able to detect this in some form.

Science can't, because by its very methodology it is limited to the physical universe. But scientists can. Indeed, what I have learned in a lifetime of studying living things, my faith has been strengthened and enriched.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

 

[OldAbramBrown]

Supernatural is such an ignorant word ... Everything has a scientific explanation, its just that we have yet to learn it ... miracles, there are alternative explanations as to how they were done ... Any decent magician can perform those tricks.

Beyond magicianry (and former associates did announce to my peers a "property miracle"), actual miracles are relative and big and small. The effects manifest through variations in the expression of "laws" of nature. Their meaning can be viewed as serendipity, or providence, or how we like.

 

[The Barbarian]

Beyond magicianry (and former associates did announce to my peers a "property miracle"), actual miracles are relative and big and small. The effects manifest through variations in the expression of "laws" of nature. Their meaning can be viewed as serendipity, or providence, or how we like.

Right.
We take for granted the slow miracle whereby water in the irrigation of a vineyard becomes wine. It is only when Christ turns water into wine, in a quick motion, as it were, that we stand amazed.
St. Augustine.

The existence of each one of us is a miracle. Nature is a miracle God made to contain us in our present existence. Often, when I'm alone down by the river, that truth fills me with awe at the extent of His power.