Bound4Life

[Harpuia]

I wanna get some public opinion on the group known as Bound4Life. Apparently, it's some pro-life organization (raises red flags for a good third of you here), and I wanted to get some opinions since I'm doing research on them. Here's their myspace if you want to see for yourself:

http://www.myspace.com/redwarriors

I already know what I think, but I want to see what others think about it.

 

[Beanieboy]

The problem, I believe, is that people focus on the fetus, and not the mother. They don't care about her situation, whether she is 14, raped, too poor, just not in a place to raise a child, etc.

It's all about the fetus.

And if she does have the baby, too often, the same people will condemn her as sinner if she is unwed.

Citizen Ruth is a great movie where the main character, Ruth, gets pregnant. She is a huffer (gets high on paint fumes) and has had two kids taken away from her. She gets prenant again, and goes to a "clinic" that instead, tries to talk her out of it. Then she becomes a pawn between Pro-Choice and Pro-Life, each side fighting over her, while neither side really caring about her.

That's the problem.

 

[jamiel]

The problem, I believe, is that people focus on the fetus, and not the mother. They don't care about her situation, whether she is 14, raped, too poor, just not in a place to raise a child, etc.

It's all about the fetus.

And if she does have the baby, too often, the same people will condemn her as sinner if she is unwed.

I agree. Okay, you gave birth, now you're on your own. It's time to forget about you now that you've done what we've pressured you into doing.




God Bless.

 

[flicka]

I checked out the Myspace site. What I saw was a picture of a bunch of sheep who live for the next big thing, the big movement, something they can pretend to be passionate about. Seriously, who puts red tape over their mouth and thinks it means anything? Mindless followers, that's who.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

It isn't about the physical action, it's about the symbolism. It's the same as the Day of Silence for the homosexual movement and wearing pink wristbands to support Breast Cancer. It's just a demonstration. Honestly, flicka, you seem more like the trend slave here. (The whole "symbolism is stupid" movement is the real cosmopolitan thing. Demonstrations like these have been going on forever).

This one seems a little more peaceful than some groups, but I agree with BeanieBoy.

 

[wanderingone]

I don't know enough about them to have much of an opinion. In general my opinion of most "pro life" groups remains that most of them did nothing before roe v. wade to assist women in crisis and most of them still don't.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

Well pro-choice and pro-life, as far as I can see, don't care about the woman or the baby either one. Both are just asserting human rights in a different way. ("It's the womans body" and "It's the babies body". It's silly really.)

I am pro-life, but I'm very passionate about children.

 

[Khameo]

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I've never seen a convincing argument against abortion; the only argument pro-lifers really have is the religious one.

 

[sbvera13]

If only that many people could come together and fight for civil and human rights all over the world instead of petty bickering over a medical procedure. Why don't they join the Peace Corps or something and really try to help people raise their quality of life? The fact that they don't just shows that it's not life they support but their own ideas.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

People who are pro-life are idiots.

I've never seen a convincing argument against abortion; the only argument pro-lifers really have is the religious one.

What a compelling argument you have. It's sounds to me that you think pro-lifers are idiots because they don't agree. There are plenty of non-religious arguments.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

People who are pro-life are idiots.

I've never seen a convincing argument against abortion; the only argument pro-lifers really have is the religious one.

Yeah, maybe I should run you through in your sleep just so I can be happy, hell, while I'm at it, why don't I cut you open and poke around your innards! Who knows, maybe I'll discover the cure to an unstoppable disease! Of course, that's incredibly unlikely and will probably be a waste, but who cares! It's not like you get a choice in the matter.

 

[wanderingone]

Well pro-choice and pro-life, as far as I can see, don't care about the woman or the baby either one. Both are just asserting human rights in a different way. ("It's the womans body" and "It's the babies body". It's silly really.)

I am pro-life, but I'm very passionate about children.

And about their mothers?

 

[Pwnerer]

I checked out the Myspace site. What I saw was a picture of a bunch of sheep who live for the next big thing, the big movement, something they can pretend to be passionate about. Seriously, who puts red tape over their mouth and thinks it means anything? Mindless followers, that's who.

Yeah. It has all the meaning of, say, flapping your cyber-gums on a php/MySQL inter-net forum, eh? Look at the profound meaning to be found in those VARCHARs and INTs.

 

[Pwnerer]

What on earth does you murdering a sentinent being have to do with abortion? Using the pro-choice argument to excuse homicidal, sociopathic urges is a little... Well... Stupid. Right on up there with saying "Well, your husband likes to go hunting, so I guess that means he'd have no problem if I wandered into your house, shot you, skinned you, and ate you." Or "Well, your husband had sex with you when you were 19, which means you should have no issue with him going out and having sex with 9 year olds." Or "You let your friend drive your car, so there's nothing wrong with me going and stealing your keys and taking your car out for a spin."

Animals are different than people, a fetus is different from a born person. Having sex with a 19 year old is different than having sex with a 9 year old, and letting somebody drive your car as opposed to somebody just going out and taking it. If you can't see that, then really you need more information on the pregnancy and fetal development process.

I'm with the other poster... In the years and years I've been active in the pro-choice movement, I've never, ever heard a convincing and compelling, or even logical argument for making abortion illegal or banning it.

The pro-choice-of-murdering-your-children movement seems to put a lot of focus on the woman's body. E.G. "It's my body so it's my choice to use it for murder". I'd be all for legalizing just about every form of abortion if things were done right. I.E. Today a woman has the whole say in it, but the man has no say. The whole idea of rights and freedom that started this country is "No taxation without representation." Meaning, "you have no right to take my money without me having a say in the matter". Today a woman can decide to carry a pregnancy to term and hold the father accountable for child support, even though he, in the eyes of the law, has no say in the matter. The abortion rights law as it stands is tyranny. If a woman has the whole say, then she has the whole responsibility. No rights without responsibility, no responsibility without rights. Go ahead and make it legal for the woman to do whatever she wants with her body, but it is tyrannical and sexist to say that the man should be held accountable for what she decides to do with her body. The fact that a man has to pay for what a woman decides to do with her body exposes completely the sexism and bigotry of the modern 'choice' movement.

 

[Pwnerer]

And about their mothers?

And about their fathers?

Yeah, three fingers pointing right back at ya, girlie.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

What on earth does you murdering a sentinent being have to do with abortion? Using the pro-choice argument to excuse homicidal, sociopathic urges is a little... Well... Stupid. Right on up there with saying "Well, your husband likes to go hunting, so I guess that means he'd have no problem if I wandered into your house, shot you, skinned you, and ate you." Or "Well, your husband had sex with you when you were 19, which means you should have no issue with him going out and having sex with 9 year olds." Or "You let your friend drive your car, so there's nothing wrong with me going and stealing your keys and taking your car out for a spin."

Animals are different than people, a fetus is different from a born person. Having sex with a 19 year old is different than having sex with a 9 year old, and letting somebody drive your car as opposed to somebody just going out and taking it. If you can't see that, then really you need more information on the pregnancy and fetal development process.

I'm with the other poster... In the years and years I've been active in the pro-choice movement, I've never, ever heard a convincing and compelling, or even logical argument for making abortion illegal or banning it.

And a person I choose to kill in their sleep because they annoy me and I can't stand them, is no different then then a woman who chooses to kill a sleeping human being because of their silly selfishness. Neither the fetus or the sleeping person gets a choice, and I get to be happy, it's all good right?

If the mother's life is in danger, I will grant some leeway, but not much.

 

[ArchaicTruth]

ignore this post, accidental double post

 

[Pwnerer]

And a person I choose to kill in their sleep because they annoy me and I can't stand them, is no different then then a woman who chooses to kill a sleeping human being because of their silly selfishness. Neither the fetus or the sleeping person gets a choice, and I get to be happy, it's all good right?

If the mother's life is in danger, I will grant some leeway, but not much.

You know the cognitive abilities that the pro-choice-of-murder people claim differentiates a fetal human from an adult doesn't exist in newborns until about six months after birth? According to the pro-choice types they aren't human, so it's OK to go into a nursery and kill all the infants, in their mind --because they're just lumps of cells. No cognitive abilities, thus no humanity. This is the mentality you are dealing with, Archaic. The type of people who think slaughtering newborns is OK
And actually, some primates, like orangutans, possess the cognitive abilities of a four year old. So in the minds of these people they are human, but undeveloped fetal humans, and newborns, are not.

 

[Pwnerer]

in the eyes of pro-choice-of-murder people
A person:

Not a person:

 

[IzzyPop]

And a person I choose to kill in their sleep because they annoy me and I can't stand them, is no different then then a woman who chooses to kill a sleeping human being because of their silly selfishness. Neither the fetus or the sleeping person gets a choice, and I get to be happy, it's all good right?

If the mother's life is in danger, I will grant some leeway, but not much.

So is a victim of rape or incest being sill, selfish, or both? What about when the child has genetic damage? Is the mother willing to abort a child without a frontal lobe being silly or selfish?

Such black and white determinations are the stuff of tyrannies.