Border Crisis

[ralliann]

"Flooding across the border!" Everyone panic!

The reason Biden's predecessor wanted migrants to wait in Mexico was not due to some overweening concern for the welfare of children. As we all know, "won't someone think of the children?!" is almost always a scare tactic deployed to sound noble while you're busy trying to discriminate against someone. He didn't like the "dirty furners" that were allegedly """pouring""" across the border, so he cruelly made them wait in the country they were fleeing because he was a virulent racist.
Ringo

Someone was thinking of the Children. But evidently you can read minds.

 

[Ringo84]

Someone was thinking of the Children. But evidently you can read minds.

If "someone" were thinking of the children, they would have seen to it that children were adequately fed, sheltered, and given the help they need without concentration camp centers at the border.
Ringo

 

[Speedwell]

I'm not Biden--you know, the guy who occupies the exact same office Trump occupied when he was made out to be responsible for "kids in cages". Now kids are being put in those same cages, and his press secretary won't even address the issue.

Yes, it's a terrible, cruel situation. There are an overwhelming number of unaccompanied children at the border and the authorities, both here and in Mexico, are struggling with it. But these are unaccompanied children, and while that does not excuse the inadequate way they are being housed, at least they were not forcibly separated from their parents at the border and put in those cages--which was the substance of the objection to Trump's policy.

 

[ralliann]

Are children still being separated from their families as a deterrent to applying for asylum?

Children are coming in unattended. Those that are attended, should be tested with Dna. Anyone not a parent of family member, should be separated from the child. some just pretend these are issues. When the asylum seekers were detained on the other side of the border in conditions no different than here. They still complain. Showing their true colors

 

[ralliann]

Yes, it's a terrible, cruel situation. There are an overwhelming number of unaccompanied children at the border and the authorities, both here and in Mexico, are struggling with it. But these are unaccompanied children, and while that does not excuse the inadequate way they are being housed, at least they were not forcibly separated from their parents at the border and put in those cages--which was the substance of the objection to Trump's policy.

Trump ended the policy quickly, that was in place from the previous administration. Dna tests on any child being accompanied has been a very good addition.

 

[Ringo84]

Children are coming in unattended. Those that are attended, should be tested with Dna. Anyone not a parent of family member, should be separated from the child. some just pretend these are issues. When the asylum seekers were detained on the other side of the border in conditions no different than here. They still complain. Showing their true colors

If we want to distinguish ourselves from the terrible conditions in Mexico, wouldn't we want to have better conditions than over there? That's a little like saying, "But they do it too!".

There are reasons children come in unattended that have nothing to do with child trafficking. The """"chain migration"""" you were speaking of a few days ago is the simple phenomenon of a father or mother preceding their child and/or its other parent in migrating here. That might be why a lot of children or unattended. Or it could be that children have lost both parents and decided that their best chance was to migrate here.

Those children need help - not separation and abuse at the hands of uncaring ICE agents because they didn't immigrate the "right" way.
Ringo

 

[ralliann]

If "someone" were thinking of the children, they would have seen to it that children were adequately fed, sheltered, and given the help they need without concentration camp centers at the border.
Ringo

I didn't see concentration camps. Trump at first did exactly as the previous administration, until he could provide better facilities for them. I don't hear you complaining now about them being in containers with bars on them? Is it really the children for you?

 

[Ringo84]

I didn't see concentration camps. Trump at first did exactly as the previous administration, until he could provide better facilities for them. I don't here you complaining now about them being in containers with bars on them? Is it really the children for you?

You weren't looking hard enough. The facilities on the border where inhabitants had to get a court order for soap certainly qualified.

No, I agree: I want to see the concentration camps end. Biden was left with a mess that I don't think is his fault at all, and I trust him far more than I would his predecessor to do right by those kids. But we'll see, and I promise you that if he doesn't, I'll be as harsh with him. Bad immigration policy has, unfortunately, been a bipartisan issue.
Ringo

 

[ralliann]

If we want to distinguish ourselves from the terrible conditions in Mexico, wouldn't we want to have better conditions than over there? That's a little like saying, "But they do it too!".

The us was aiding them finacially and it was not just mexico, nor just Mexicans involved on the other side of the border.

 

[ralliann]

You weren't looking hard enough. The facilities on the border where inhabitants had to get a court order for soap certainly qualified.

No, I agree: I want to see the concentration camps end. Biden was left with a mess that I don't think is his fault at all, and I trust him far more than I would his predecessor to do right by those kids. But we'll see, and I promise you that if he doesn't, I'll be as harsh with him. Bad immigration policy has, unfortunately, been a bipartisan issue.
Ringo

Biden was not left with a mess. He created one.

 

[Ringo84]

The us was aiding them finacially and it was not just mexico, nor just Mexicans involved on the other side of the border.

Good; it should have been. But that's not an excuse for the horrible facilities we dropped them into once they were on our side of the (imaginary) border.

Biden was not left with a mess. He created one.

Nope. It was not his policies that left us with migrant children in concentration camps.
Ringo

 

[Belk]

Children are coming in unattended. Those that are attended, should be tested with Dna. Anyone not a parent of family member, should be separated from the child.

If they are unattended why do they need to be tested? They are not with anyone claiming to be their parents.

some just pretend these are issues. When the asylum seekers were detained on the other side of the border in conditions no different than here. They still complain. Showing their true colors

What are you talking about?

 

[Aldebaran]

Are children still being separated from their families as a deterrent to applying for asylum?

Changing the narrative already?
Hey, I get it! Really! The only way to defend biden is to avoid talking about what he's doing.

 

[Aldebaran]

If "someone" were thinking of the children, they would have seen to it that children were adequately fed, sheltered, and given the help they need without concentration camp centers at the border.
Ringo

Any type of mass housing of people can be called a concentration camp if you want to be derogatory about it. What's your solution then? Build individual homes on the border for each individual illegal alien who crosses the border?

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, it's a terrible, cruel situation. There are an overwhelming number of unaccompanied children at the border and the authorities, both here and in Mexico, are struggling with it. But these are unaccompanied children, and while that does not excuse the inadequate way they are being housed, at least they were not forcibly separated from their parents at the border and put in those cages--which was the substance of the objection to Trump's policy.

If that was the substance of the objection to Trump's policy, then would you have been ok with it if the parents had been put in the "cages" as well?

 

[Aldebaran]

Nope. It was not his policies that left us with migrant children in concentration camps.
Ringo

Those places were made vacant when Trump left office. It was biden's announcements about giving amnesty that spurred people in Honduras to form caravans once again to our border. Now we have children in biden concentration camps, even though his own press secretary won't comment on it.

It is now biden's problem since he's responsible for creating it.

 

[wing2000]

Those places were made vacant when Trump left office. It was biden's announcements about giving amnesty that spurred people in Honduras to form caravans once again to our border. Now we have children in biden concentration camps, even though his own press secretary won't comment on it.

It is now biden's problem since he's responsible for creating it.

Political spin labels aside, on what basis are stating Hondurans were inspired (or "spurred" ) by "biden's announcement about giving amnesty"?

a. link to the alleged statement by BIden
b. interviews with Hondurans

 

[Aldebaran]

Political spin labels aside, on what basis are stating Hondurans were inspired (or "spurred" ) by "biden's announcement about giving amnesty"?

a. link to the alleged statement by BIden
b. interviews with Hondurans

Migrants Chanting 'Biden! Biden!' Attempt to Rush Border

Honduran Migrant Traveling to U.S. Claims Biden Is ‘Going to Help All of Us’

Biden's pledges could spur more migration. But in a pandemic, the border is unprepared

 

[Speedwell]

If that was the substance of the objection to Trump's policy, then would you have been ok with it if the parents had been put in the "cages" as well?

Better than having them separated.

 

[wing2000]

Migrants Chanting 'Biden! Biden!' Attempt to Rush Border

Honduran Migrant Traveling to U.S. Claims Biden Is ‘Going to Help All of Us’

Biden's pledges could spur more migration. But in a pandemic, the border is unprepared

That's what I thought. Plenty of Hondurans (and others) acting based on their perception of Biden as a decent human being. I fail to see how their perception Biden's fault.

Alas, they did not mention "amnesty" - a term that is bandied about by the far right talking heads.