Border Crisis

[Aldebaran]

Better than having them separated.

BREAKING NEWS: Entire Mexican families being caged on American border!

Do you really think that sounds better?

 

[Aldebaran]

That's what I thought. Plenty of Hondurans (and others) acting based on their perception of Biden as a decent human being. I fail to see how their perception Biden's fault.

Their perception that they would be welcome to march across our border and get free stuff from us because biden incited them to come here. Now they'll have to spend some time in biden's cages.

 

[Belk]

Changing the narrative already?
Hey, I get it! Really! The only way to defend biden is to avoid talking about what he's doing.

The narrative you misrepresented? Yes, yes I did. Or do you honestly think it was the cages that were the issue, not the family separation?

 

[Aldebaran]

The narrative you misrepresented? Yes, yes I did. Or do you honestly think it was the cages that were the issue, not the family separation?

Hard to tell when you say things like...

You can think of no other solution? It is either cages or left in the desert to die?

 

[Hank77]

Now kids are being put in those same cages, and his press secretary won't even address the issue.

The press secretary can't address an issue that she/he doesn't have the answers to, would you rather she just spout something off the top of her head?

However, at today's press briefing there was more information shared about people crossing Mexico's southern border and what's being done to hopefully stop them.

Beginning at 11:16 for approx. 10 mins. maybe.
The border is CLOSED is the message from Ambassador Roberta Jacobson.

 

[Hank77]

Migrants Chanting 'Biden! Biden!' Attempt to Rush Border

Honduran Migrant Traveling to U.S. Claims Biden Is ‘Going to Help All of Us’

Biden's pledges could spur more migration. But in a pandemic, the border is unprepared

...Thousands of newly hopeful migrants in Central America have recently joined WhatsApp and Facebook groups dedicated to organizing northbound caravans, slated to begin leaving the region in the coming weeks...
[trusting Facebook and WhatsApp for accurate information]

U.S. border officials and shelter directors along the border are concerned about the effects of a major surge in migration in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic, as is the Biden transition team, people familiar with the team’s discussions said.

A new wave of migrants could create an early crisis for the incoming administration as it seeks to fulfill campaign promises to roll back the harsh policies of U.S. President Donald Trump, while still deterring unregulated travel across the southern border.

 

[wing2000]

[trusting Facebook and WhatsApp for accurate information]

+Cartels who have an interest in giving people false hope with mis-information.

 

[Pommer]

Mexico could receive aid to create camps on their side of the border for these people.

Forgive me if I’ve got this incorrect, but are you suggesting that the United States give aid to Mexico to be our “private prison abroad”?

Yeah, I don’t see Mexico going fascist soon.

 

[Pommer]

Those that are attended, should be tested with Dna.

This would have been a good idea when separating families because of concern that the children were being shepherded into the country by wily human-traffickers. That would’ve been definitive proof of “who belonged with whom”, which would have come in handy after the previous administration was told to reunite these families, but that’d’ve cost money.

 

[Aldebaran]

Forgive me if I’ve got this incorrect, but are you suggesting that the United States give aid to Mexico to be our “private prison abroad”?

Yeah, I don’t see Mexico going fascist soon.

She said "camps". Where did you get "private prison abroad"? What she said was simple enough to understand. Why do you insist upon reading something other than what is clearly written?

 

[Pommer]

She said "camps". Where did you get "private prison abroad"? What she said was simple enough to understand. Why do you insist upon reading something other than what is clearly written?

We’re talking about paying a foreign government to detain people that they (by International Treaty) have no right to hold (save for laws broken while in Mexico). But that’s “not a prison” because prisons are called prisons and camps are called camps?
You’re down to semantics already?

 

[mark46]

He felt he had to stop them because we hadn't the facilities to discharge our responsibility to these refugees in accord with international law. We still don't, and neither does Mexico and it's still a cruel mess. Mexico devoted resources to the problem under threat, but we didn't.

OK, you think that international law requires that we take unlimited numbers of refugees that are fleeing Central America, countries not even on our border. How does this work. Why not Canada or Australia?
Let's be clear. We need a better policy. And yes, I do believe that we should that we should accept many Central American refugees. HOWEVER, the international law fig leaf applies much more to Mexico. Aren't they required to take care of these refugees.

 

[mark46]

Better than having them separated.

separated from whom exactly?

the crisis is primarily about unaccompanied minors.

 

[Aldebaran]

We’re talking about paying a foreign government to detain people that they (by International Treaty) have no right to hold (save for laws broken while in Mexico). But that’s “not a prison” because prisons are called prisons and camps are called camps?
You’re down to semantics already?

It's not semantics at all. It's about accuracy.
A prison is where someone is held after committing a crime and is convicted. What these camps would be is a housing area where these people would stay while waiting for their asylum claims to be processed.
Or would you prefer they be put in "cages", as you guys like to call them?

 

[jopa7]

Children have been fleeing ga

 

[mark46]

We have laws. They will be upheld. HOWEVER, reversing trump's debacle cannot happen in a few weeks. There are still some parents to be found for the Trump children.
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1) Unaccompanied children cannot be held at the border for more than 72 hours. If army bases are not acceptable, and tent cities are accpeptable, then hotels will be used or built, and they needn't be at the border.

2) What we need is a system for initial processing within 72 hours. This will take hundreds of immigration judges and advocates.

3) And, yes, if there are to be further hearings, there must be a way to track the children.

4) With regard to families, they too should be processed within 72 hours.

5) Just BTW, the number that skipped their trial dates under Obama were low. But the Obama process of waiting 4 years for a hearing will not work, and requiring a 4 ever old to appear without an advocate is ridiculous.

 

[mark46]

We’re talking about paying a foreign government to detain people that they (by International Treaty) have no right to hold (save for laws broken while in Mexico). But that’s “not a prison” because prisons are called prisons and camps are called camps?
You’re down to semantics already?

Is crossing the border into the US without permission a crime?

Are you OK with treating asylum seekers who cross the border and then ask for asylum within 72 hours and then deport them? Why not?

 

[Aldebaran]

5) Just BTW, the number that skipped their trial dates under Obama were low. But the Obama process of waiting 4 years for a hearing will not work, and requiring a 4 ever old to appear without an advocate is ridiculous.

As were the parents of those kids for sending them to another country on their own, expecting that other country to become the kid's babysitter for life.

 

[Pommer]

Is crossing the border into the US without permission a crime?

Not if one is seeking asylum, no.

 

[Valletta]

We have laws. They will be upheld. HOWEVER, reversing trump's debacle cannot happen in a few weeks. There are still some parents to be found for the Trump children.
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1) Unaccompanied children cannot be held at the border for more than 72 hours. If army bases are not acceptable, and tent cities are accpeptable, then hotels will be used or built, and they needn't be at the border.

2) What we need is a system for initial processing within 72 hours. This will take hundreds of immigration judges and advocates.

3) And, yes, if there are to be further hearings, there must be a way to track the children.

4) With regard to families, they too should be processed within 72 hours.

5) Just BTW, the number that skipped their trial dates under Obama were low. But the Obama process of waiting 4 years for a hearing will not work, and requiring a 4 ever old to appear without an advocate is ridiculous.

The Biden administration has held unaccompanied children for more than the 72 hour legal limit. They have refused access to the media to see the inside of the barred storage containers that hold the children. I think both the United Nations and the International Red Cross should be allowed to examine the situation.
How many of these children have been brought in by the coyotes? How many have been forced to carry in drugs? How many have been sexually abused?