Books by creation scientists

[silvy]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

 

[Vene]

There are none. Creation science is an oxymoron.

 

[TheBear]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

Well, seeing that they are not scientists in the first place, I'd say - none.

 

[guzman]

This is a really good book. Not a "scientist", but then again, life is not scientific, life is spiritual.

http://www.creationdigest.com/

I believe Chapter 1 is available to read. Check it out -- very, very good book. Highly recommended.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

I'm hard-pressed to even come up with a single trustworthy Creation Scientist, so I'm afraid I won't be able to help much.

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

One of the reasons that I am a former creationist is that there are no honest books or ideas out there in the creationism movement.

In college I set out to research and become a "creationist scientist", sadly, in researching the creationist arguments I found too many instances of deception and outright lies to ever trust them again.

 

[Aggie]

Kurt Wise and Michael Behe have both performed valid scientific work outside of creationism, but most of their peers agree that their creationist/ID work is sub-standard.

Among their studies, it is possible to find trustworthy scientific work from “creation scientists”, but none of it actually relates to creationism.

 

[truth above all else]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

you have unnecessarily invited sarcasm by your immaturely phrased question, the evolutionary establishment was bound to respond in the juvenile way that they have. At least they're predictable. In any case there are treasure troves of literature relating to the major aspects of the debate.Here are a few gems
-A theory in crisis; Dr M Denton
-Not by chance;Dr L Spetner
-Darwins black box; M. Behe

 

[ranmaonehalf]

lol , creation science. good one.

 

[Split Rock]

you have unnecessarily invited sarcasm by your immaturely phrased question, the evolutionary establishment was bound to respond in the juvenile way that they have.

I believe most of the responses were quite sincere. There are no trustworthy "creation scientists."

At least they're predictable.

So are you

In any case there are treasure troves of literature relating to the major aspects of the debate.Here are a few gems
-A theory in crisis; Dr M Denton
-Not by chance;Dr L Spetner
-Darwins black box; M. Behe

Gems?? Well, at least Behe's book brings up some interesting questions, if not answers.

 

[ranmaonehalf]

Assuming they were wanting books on the science of creation then your lists must be eddited as such.



.... In any case there is no literature relating to the major aspects of the debate.THere are no books on creatoin science.
...

 

[Pete Harcoff]

-A theory in crisis; Dr M Denton
-Not by chance;Dr L Spetner
-Darwins black box; M. Behe

Is Spetner a creationist? Because Denton and Behe aren't.

 

[MoonLancer]

Is Spetner a creationist? Because Denton and Behe aren't.

the dover case showed the ID is just Creation is disguise, seeing how "pandas and people" was miry altered to "replace" god with "designer" and "creation" with "id"

ID is dead. Creation is dishonest (and banned from schools for posing as science). take your pick.

 

[RedAndy]

I am sorry that the OP has received such a negative response from the rest of the board. For your convenience I will supply a complete list of books by reputable Creation scientists, relating to Creationism:



That's it.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

This is a really good book. Not a "scientist", but then again, life is not scientific, life is spiritual.

http://www.creationdigest.com/

I believe Chapter 1 is available to read. Check it out -- very, very good book. Highly recommended.

I just read chapter one, and have come to the following conclusions.

1 An excellent piece of work, in the context of indoctrinating and misleading vulnerable people, particularly those who want to be mislead due to their fundamentalist beliefs.
2 An extremely poor piece of work, in the context of evolution, which inadequately explains the concepts of evolution, and barely touches on the vast myriad of information and evidence in favour of microbes to man.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

you have unnecessarily invited sarcasm by your immaturely phrased question, the evolutionary establishment was bound to respond in the juvenile way that they have. At least they're predictable. In any case there are treasure troves of literature relating to the major aspects of the debate.Here are a few gems
-A theory in crisis; Dr M Denton
-Not by chance;Dr L Spetner
-Darwins black box; M. Behe

I read Evolution a Theory in Crisis by Michael Denton when it first came out. I concluded it was book about molecular biology and evolution written by someone who understood neither. He has apparently changed his tune a bit in Nature's Destiny and could perhaps now be characterized as a theistic evolutionist who accepts a rather extreme version of the fine tunning idea.

 

[Gary51]

One of the reasons that I am a former creationist is that there are no honest books or ideas out there in the creationism movement.

In college I set out to research and become a "creationist scientist", sadly, in researching the creationist arguments I found too many instances of deception and outright lies to ever trust them again.

Here is an idea from a book.

In the beginning was God. God is an eternal being—the One and only Being of all eternity. You are limited in your understanding to the physical plane. You cannot begin to understand the great depth of such knowledge that is spiritual in nature. No one can. God reveals that all knowledge, all understanding, all wisdom, and all thought are from Him. In His Being, in His Wisdom, in His Word (Greek – “logos” – revelatory thought—which is the product of His Divine thinking), Almighty God determined to create that which did not exist. He set in motion a plan that would carry forward into eternity. He predetermined how His plan should be fulfilled. Prophecy given to mankind is simply the revelation of God’s plan and how it will unfold in actual events. From the beginning, God was alone; but He was going to change this through a plan He would fulfill, in great patience, over millions of years. This plan began with the angelic creation. God created angelic beings to share in this plan and to serve Him in carrying it out. These beings were created out of spirit, and they are spirit. God desired to share with the angelic realm His plan of much greater things to follow. God did not choose to make the angels like spiritual robots to function as programmed. Instead, God created the angels with the capability of free, individual thought. They were created as individual, free moral agents who could make choices and express individual personality through those choices. This meant that they could choose not to follow God. They could choose their own way, living apart from what God told them was the only true way of life. This is a consequence of creating such beings. There is no other way to give life to beings who are capable of having “free choice” and complete individuality. Mankind also is created with, the ability of free choice. God knew that not all of the angelic creation would choose to live His way, which is the one and only true way capable of producing eternal peace—life that is happy, fulfilling, rewarding, and genuinely exciting. The knowledge of this phase of God’s creation shows the great wisdom in why man was created physical and why man was created after the angelic realm.

The Angelic Realm

Multiple millions of angels were created. God does not give the exact number, but He does reveal that He created three angels who were superior to the rest in importance, might, beauty, authority, and power. These three are referred to by name: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer. In time, after the angelic creation, God began to create the physical universe. Up to this point in time, only the spirit realm existed. The creation of the universe was exciting to the angelic family of God. God said that, upon seeing what He was creating, the sons of God (angelic realm) shouted for joy. God said He created every thing in the universe in beauty and perfection. In time, God began to reveal more of His plan and purpose for the physical creation. God revealed to the angels that of all His physical creation (the universe), His plan would be focused upon the earth. God placed Lucifer on the earth, along with much of the angelic realm, to prepare for future events that He had predetermined long before. Lucifer was placed in authority over the angels on earth, and they were to carry out preparations for even greater events in God’s overall plan. God revealed to the angelic realm that He was going to create mankind and that the creation of mankind would lead to the ultimate purpose of all His creation. Mankind was going to be created with the potential of becoming far greater than the angels. God revealed to the angels that they would share in the joy of what He would create through mankind. The angelic realm was shown that they were created to share and help in this greater purpose of all creation. Lucifer did not like what God revealed. He became lifted up in pride and his own reasoning. He chose to believe that God’s way was not best, but that his own way was better. In his own perverted thinking, he rejected the knowledge of God and began to believe that his own way was so much better. He actually became deceived into believing that he could rise up against God and take over all rule of the physical and spiritual realm, making God subservient to him. Over time, Lucifer planned and plotted. He began to spread his disdain for God’s plan to other angels. As astounding as it is, a third of the angelic realm sided with him in a horrific rebellion against God. Lucifer would learn that he was puny before God, and indeed, God is Almighty! The rebellion originated from earth. Lucifer planned to destroy the earth because he so hated God’s plan, which was to be fulfilled here. Lucifer planned on ascending to God’s throne and rule in God’s stead. The solar system of our sun and the earth changed dramatically on the day of this rebellion. God tells us that, at this point, the earth became waste and uninhabitable, as all life on it was destroyed. The earth was toppled from its perfect orbit, and the atmosphere was filled with total blackness from the debris. A type of nuclear winter engulfed the entire earth in an immediate moment in time. Even the moon and Mars were littered by the debris from this massive and explosive attack on God’s physical creation. Although God limited Lucifer’s attempt to destroy the earth and this solar system, He left the evidence of this attack for all to see—in time. The asteroid belt did not exist before this rebellion. God stopped the destruction of the solar system, and the debris was confined to this one region—not beyond. From this time forward, Lucifer became known as Satan, the first great adversary of God. Satan chose to rebel against God and make himself an adversary of God and His plan and purpose. The angels, who rebelled with Satan, became known as demons. God knew that some of the angels (having free moral agency) would, in time, rebel against Him and go their own way. Any way that opposes God’s perfect way will lead to chaos, confusion, suffering, and every way that is evil. Turning from God’s way of thinking results in pride, vanity and deep selfishness that is inward in nature and filled with the way of “get,” while God’s perfect way is the way of “give.” In all this, God knew the outcome! It was all part of His awesome and perfect plan that would continue forward, just as He had predetermined millions of years before. Holy righteous character cannot be created in any being who is given independent thought and personage. The way one lives life is always a matter of choice. Although God knew there would be an angelic rebellion, the choice of how to live was, nevertheless, theirs to make. Those angels couldn’t blame anyone else for their choices. God taught the angels that there was only one true way to live life. He also taught them that choosing any other way of life would produce automatic penalties. Those angels who chose to live God’s way have shared in the joy of what God is working out in His plan for His creation. Those who have refused God’s way and followed some other way have lived in futility—unfulfilled and never satisfied. Lucifer and the demons who followed him are “set” in their ways. From the beginning of their disobedience, since they are spirit in composition and thought, they “set” themselves against God.

 

[guzman]

I just read chapter one, and have come to the following conclusions.

1 An excellent piece of work, in the context of indoctrinating and misleading vulnerable people, particularly those who want to be mislead due to their fundamentalist beliefs.
2 An extremely poor piece of work, in the context of evolution, which inadequately explains the concepts of evolution, and barely touches on the vast myriad of information and evidence in favour of microbes to man.

you have to be specific.....what exactly was misleading about it?

 

[Gary51]

Can you recommend some books by trustworthy creation scientists?

Hello Silvy,

It is obvious that you posted your question in the wrong part of the furum. I can see that you are quite new to this website, and as it is a big site you can be forgiven for making an error.

Your error will also be most obvious to all those who posted a sarcastic reply to your polite question.

Don't let this upset you.

 

[Naraoia]

Here is an idea from a book. <way too much unsegmented text>

Which book? And can you please summarise the relevant points or quote only the important parts because I fvkking don't have the patience to read immense blocks of text not even divided into paragraphs. Anyhow, I don't see how the creation of angels has anything to do with science