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[emerald Dragon]

The members of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) are the quintessential Christians. We believe in Christ; we worship Christ; we follow Christ; we study Christ; we patter our lives after the teaching of Christ; we testify of Christ; we develop personal relationships with Christ; we take upon ourselves the name of Christ. He is the foundation of our religion. He is our Savior and Master. Our love, dedication, and focus on Christ is second to none. We are Christians.

Need we say more???

That is well said, and it is true. To add to this, before it is taken out of context, we wordship the Christ of God, the one that died for our sins on Calvery's cross, the Messiah of the Old Testament.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

 

[AMMON]

Counselor, I trust this is not the type of defense you would ever present in court. If I gave a depostion (ie; written account of my testimony) and then changed it later, you would have a field day, no?

Your claim of fallaciousness escapes me!!!



Opposing counsel: Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps Mr. Smith made this up in the first place. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps...



Judge: Counselor, we need to take a 30 minute recess after that closing argument. Court will adjourn until the laughter dies down.

Do you not understand what a syllogism is?

 

[SiSSYGAL]

The members of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) are the quintessential Christians. We believe in Christ; we worship Christ; we follow Christ; we study Christ; we patter our lives after the teaching of Christ; we testify of Christ; we develop personal relationships with Christ; we take upon ourselves the name of Christ. He is the foundation of our religion. He is our Savior and Master. Our love, dedication, and focus on Christ is second to none. We are Christians.

Hi Helaman:
I visited your church twice--None of the above was evident to me. The first time I went, was calling day and the officers and teachers were announced followed by speeches of the Stake bigwigs. One bigwig spoke about eternal marriage and the other bigwig spoke for a long time on how important it isto keep your eyes on the temple. At the time, I had not a clue as to what he was even speaking about. Several months later, I now do. The second time I visited it was fast day and people got up and talked about things in general in their lives. I already mentioned on this forum that the group in total was so rude to the speakers that I know their speeches were not heard.
You can read under my name for a complete post of that disastrous experience. But--I also know this--none of the speakers was Bible literate and they did not depart Godly wisdom. They departed folksy tales from their personal lives and concluded with the notion that God is important to them in their lives. Amen the end. One thing Mormons like to speak of is letting people have milk before the meat. Well, what I heard was not meat--it was not milk--it was like powdered milk that hadn't been stirred or prepared properly. I implore you to read and study the Bible and learn God's word.

 

[HChristfirst]

I would welcome a discussion on the Book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants and pearl of great price as well as the History of Joseph smith. I have alot of resourses on the subject and have looked into and studied it for several years.

 

[AMMON]

I would welcome a discussion on the Book of Mormon and doctrine and covenants and pearl of great price as well as the History of Joseph smith. I have alot of resourses on the subject and have looked into and studied it for several years.

I think the proposal has pretty much died because we can't seem to work and play well with each other in here.

 

[Serapha]

It is incredibly fallacious to conclude that just because Joseph wrote in 1832, "...I saw the Lord..." that he did not see both the Father and the Son. Perhaps he was given instructions at the time to not mention the Father. Perhaps he referred to them as one because they are one in purpose but separate in being. Perhaps because Christ spoke the most, he referred to Christ. The possibilities are endless. The syllogism, however, is fallacious. Namely, (1) Joseph said he saw the Lord, (2) if someone says they see one person, no other people could be present, (3) therefore Joseph only saw one being. Fallacious.

Hi there!



I'm still trying to figure out the "see God and live" Joseph Smith which is contrary to biblical text.



~serapha~

 

[AMMON]

Hi there!



I'm still trying to figure out the "see God and live" Joseph Smith which is contrary to biblical text.



~serapha~

A little help here... are you referrring to the scripture that says one cannot see God and live?

 

[HChristfirst]

I think the proposal has pretty much died because we can't seem to work and play well with each other in here.

Well I will discuss it. I do not agree with the book of mormon being from God. I do not believe Joseph Smith was a prophet. I have several reasons why if you would like to hear.

 

[AMMON]

Well I will discuss it. I do not agree with the book of mormon being from God. I do not believe Joseph Smith was a prophet. I have several reasons why if you would like to hear.

Get in line with all the other antimormons in here.

 

[HChristfirst]

Get in line with all the other antimormons in here.

I am not anti Mormon.I have studied Mormonism for 20 years. I have a copy of the original 1830 edition. Original copy. and several newer copies. I see some problems in the books with each other and comparing them to the Bible. I see some problems in the History as well. To say I see some problems does not mean I am anti Mormon

 

[rnmomof7]

Need we say more???

That is well said, and it is true. To add to this, before it is taken out of context, we wordship the Christ of God, the one that died for our sins on Calvery's cross, the Messiah of the Old Testament.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

If I sleep in a garage and go beep beep it does not make me a car .

First you believe your sins were taken care of in the garden ..not the cross.

Interesting phrase..the Christ of god..is that like the Lucifer of god?

We worship God , God that is the Father , God that is Christ and that is the Holy Spirit ...
Three persons in one Being

One late thought on your post.

I have been told that the Mormons only worship ONE God , The heavenly father .

Jesus is not yet a god, and when he becomes one , he will not be your god then either.

If you worship your definition of christ, then your must accept the title Polytheists

 

[Serapha]

The members of The Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) are the quintessential Christians. We believe in Christ; we worship Christ; we follow Christ; we study Christ; we patter our lives after the teaching of Christ; we testify of Christ; we develop personal relationships with Christ; we take upon ourselves the name of Christ. He is the foundation of our religion. He is our Savior and Master. Our love, dedication, and focus on Christ is second to none. We are Christians.

Hi there!



But it isn't the same Christ... the Christ of the CoJCoLDS's is limited by the confines that the church placed on the being of Christ.


~serapha`~

 

[AMMON]

If I sleep in a garage and go beep beep it does not make me a car .

First you believe your sins were taken care of in the garden ..not the cross.

Interesting phrase..the Christ of god..is that like the Lucifer of god?

We worship God , God that is the Father , God that is Christ and that is the Holy Spirit ...
Three persons in one Being

Oh no! Not the beep beep analogy again. Please, make it stop! As for the sins and payment thereof, we actually believe he began to pay for them in the Garden and completed payment at the moment he died on the Cross. And we worship the same Jesus you do; we just disagree as to the exact form he takes in relation to the Father.

 

[AMMON]

Hi there!



But it isn't the same Christ... the Christ of the CoJCoLDS's is limited by the confines that the church placed on the being of Christ.


~serapha`~

It isn't the same UNDERSTANDING of Christ. Limiting Christ would be saying that his atonement wasn't powerful enough to account in grace for differnces in understanding.

 

[Krystina661]

We worship God , God that is the Father , God that is Christ and that is the Holy Spirit ...
Three persons in one Being

As do Mormons.

 

[HChristfirst]

The basis of any religion must be based on truth for it to be from God. In the beginnings of mornism in the History of Joseph Smith there are some things that puzzle me. For if the History is false then the basis of Mornism is not true and there fore is not true.

 

[Serapha]

I think the proposal has pretty much died because we can't seem to work and play well with each other in here.

Hey...


and who's fault is that????


I certainly was willing... after all, it was my original suggestion.... but it was obvious from the "book of Ether" postings that the members of the CoJCoLDS's are insincere in their responses to "investigators.


When "YOU" get serious... and honest... then may be a discussion will happen... it's up to the member of the CoJCoLDS's... take questions and postings seriously, and maybe people will take "YOU" serious.





~serapha~

 

[rnmomof7]

I am not anti Mormon.I have studied Mormonism for 20 years. I have a copy of the original 1830 edition. Original copy. and several newer copies. I see some problems in the books with each other and comparing them to the Bible. I see some problems in the History as well. To say I see some problems does not mean I am anti Mormon

Do not take it personally , anyone that disagrees with their doctrine is "anti Mormon"

It looks to me as I have read Joe Smiths writings that he was and his followers are anti Christians ..we just do not use that excuse to end debate or to whine

 

[Serapha]

It isn't the same UNDERSTANDING of Christ. Limiting Christ would be saying that his atonement wasn't powerful enough to account in grace for differnces in understanding.

Hi there!




If you have put your faith in the wrong place, then your faith is misplaced.


The Christ of Calvary is the the Christ of the New Testament... I went through the attributes of Christ in a previous posting... the Christ of mormonism is not the same as the Christ of the New Testament.





~serapha~

 

[HChristfirst]

Do not take it personally , anyone that disagrees with their doctrine is "anti Mormon"

It looks to me as I have read Joe Smiths writings that he was and his followers are anti Christians ..we just do not use that excuse to end debate or to whine

Sorry if I appeared to take it personaly it is hard to come across how you rerally are in here LOL. You are right when a person disagrees with what they believe they get upset and say they are being attacked. But that is not my intent ever as I am sure the same with you.