FYI, I'm not sure if you ever saw or responded to this particular post. I'd be curious about your response.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7763255-4/#post63810490
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FYI, I'm not sure if you ever saw or responded to this particular post. I'd be curious about your response.
http://www.christianforums.com/t7763255-4/#post63810490
HK is neither here nor there. If I was actually blind, you could convince me, by performing a well-designed demonstration, that light and vision objectively exist. HK's internal experiences are not a demonstration of anything, other than HK's internal experiences. Lots of people have such experiences. It does not mean that they relate to anything external to themselves.
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http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/
The thing is, I can provide you with a physical definition/description of 'God' that is external to humans. I can also provide you with a logical mechanism to explain how external EM fields affect internal human thoughts and experiences, and I can logically explain to you *why and how* such experiences could be caused by something external to everyone.
Unless you can logically explain how you're *so sure* that the underlying cause is *internally* generated, you're just seeing what you wish to see, and wearing your own special pair of rose colored glasses, in this dark welding goggles. Fortunately for you we do live in an electric universe so there's hope for you yet in terms of 'seeing the light'.
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We aren't discussing what could happen. We are discussing what is happening. For all intents and purposes, it is also the same as leprechauns did it, fairies did it, or bigfoot did it.
Why would I need to? I am not the one making a positive claim.
You don't have any evidence, so you don't have an explanation, only a belief.
Based on what evidence?
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No one is arguing that there are not eletrical phenomena or plasma in space.
Yes, they did. It doesn't work.
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http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/
It's more than a tad disingenuous to be claiming you're not making positive claims about the nature of the universe we live in. It's also more than a tad ironic that you're talking about fairies considering all the mythical sky thingies you keep peddling to unsuspecting victims of your dark sky dogma.
There is *far more* evidence of a living universe than there is empirical evidence to support your cosmology beliefs.
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Except when you and RC were claiming that electrical discharges are impossible in plasmas?
That's not an excuse. We live in a universe that is mostly in the plasma state. Plasma produces EM field galore, none of which appear in mainstream calculations or Lambda-CDM. They *left out* a very important feature of plasma, specifically the EM field effects of *moving charged objects*. The mainstream theory only addresses spacetime curvature, but it *ignores* all the EM field effects of moving million degree plasmas, like those million degree plasmas that surround every galaxy.
Mainstream theory is *blind to physics*. No wonder they need so many mythical invisible ad hoc constructs to make their epicycle maths work right.
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Already a thread on that topic.
Then start a thread and show that they left it out and what effects it will have using actual measurements of plasma in space.
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And now you are trying to shift the spotlight from your empty claims. Sorry, not going to happen.
And out trots the one trick pony, as usual. The topic of this thread is not plasma cosmology.
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I'm just busting your show, and pointing out the thread that busts your show. You're welcome to comment in the appropriate thread, or you can just remain 'scientifically blind' if you prefer.
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I'm just busting your show, and pointing out the thread that busts your show. You're welcome to comment in the appropriate thread, or you can just remain 'scientifically blind' if you prefer.
You are busting nothing. You are just trying to make every single thread about your obsession with plasma cosmology.
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Nope. I think it's highly disingenuous of you to claim that you're not making claims about the nature of the universe we live in, or that there is no 'evidence' of a living universe (God). You made two false claims that I can easily show to be false should you care to take it up in the appropriate thread.
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This thread isn't about my claims of the nature of the universe, nor is the thread about plasma cosmology or expansion. Care to get back to the topic?
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I can provide you with a physical definition/description of orcs that are external to humans.http://www.christianforums.com/t7440288/
The thing is, I can provide you with a physical definition/description of 'God' that is external to humans. I can also provide you with a logical mechanism to explain how external EM fields affect internal human thoughts and experiences, and I can logically explain to you *why and how* such experiences could be caused by something external to everyone.
Unless you can logically explain how you're *so sure* that the underlying cause is *internally* generated, you're just seeing what you wish to see, and wearing your own special pair of rose colored glasses, in this dark welding goggles. Fortunately for you we do live in an electric universe so there's hope for you yet in terms of 'seeing the light'.
EM fields, drugs, fasting etc. can affect internal human thoughts and experiences. The brain is a physical object, the normal workings of which can be easily disrupted.
I don't need to explain anything. You need to come up with a concrete, physical procedure analogous that one which would convince any reasonable blind person that light and vision exist, or stop using the silly label, "spiritually blind".
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That's an irrationally flippant attitude IMO. You're just ridiculing something you really don't fully appreciate IMO.
That's more or less my point as well. It's pretty easy to understand how an electric universe might interact with human thoughts.
In terms of providing evidence of the existence of an empirical form of "God", there's an appropriate thread for that topic already.
Meditation and prayer routines are typically the "tool of choice" in terms of generating/demonstrating internal "spiritual experiences". I'd suggest you start with meditation. Asking for "concrete" examples of spirituality is a bit like asking for "concrete" examples of awareness. It's not "solid" to begin with.
I did try to offer you an example of someone who *was physically blind*, cut off from even a concept of a language, and still experienced something she associated with 'God'. That is one 'example' of someone *not* having any religious ideas to start with, yet someone still capable of experiencing the presence of God.
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In theater when you control the light you control reality. You can take people into another world and at the end you return them to the world they came from. Yet light and color is still a theory and there are still assumptions you have to make. No matter how much physics you know.
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Those are also the tools of choice for imagining things that don't exist. So how do you determine if something is real or imagined?
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Except that they aren't taken to a different world. They don't go anywhere. They are in the theatre the whole time.
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I did not say a different world, I said a different reality. For example if we control the light then we control color. Through both the additive and the subtractive color theories. The point is we make assumptions and those assumptions maybe right or wrong. But all math and all of science is based on assumptions. This is why science can have what they call paradigm shifts.
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Just as we are taught in Grade School Math, you check your results. Carpenters know if you measure once you will cut twice, if you measure twice you only have to cut once. We know the age of the universe because there are different ways we can check our results. In the Bible we check everything against what Moses said because God gave Moses ALL of His plan of Salvation. Nothing was added only we now have a better understanding. All that was written in the Bible agrees with what Moses wrote 3700 years ago. While Science goes though constant change the Bible has not changed in 3700 years. Of course what people say the Bible says is a different story. When we get to Heaven Moses will still be teaching. We will be able to talk to him ourselves to learn about what he wrote. Jesus will still be preaching. Can you imagine what it would have been like to be there to hear Jesus preach the Sermon on the Mount? What an exciting day that would have been
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