I had a friend that was blind. There is quite a bit they can do for themselves, still you have to do a lot for them to take care of them.
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If there were such a place as the spiritual dimension, I believe it would be possible. Thats why most of those who claim knowledge of the spiritual dimension, cannot agree on what this spiritual dimension really is; what they believe varies from religion to religion. That would be like sighted people who cannot agree on what they are looking at in the physical world trying to explain to the blind what they see
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Not sure how that´s taking away from what I said.
Anyway:
1. If the criterium is *needing others to take care of them* we are all handicapped.
2. I´d argue that most of the problems that blind persons are facing are due to the fact that they live in a society that´s designed by seeing persons for seeing persons.
But, just so not to derail the thread, what does that mean for the OP question?
Is the assistence we can give to blind persons depending on their concession that there is vision?
And why is it that blind people usually are ready to accept that others can see, while the "spiritually blind" aren´t? Arguably the reason is that blind persons notice that their condition comes with problems that those who claim that they have vision can solve better than them, while the "spiritually seeing" simply claim that the "spiritually blind" have problems. Furthermore, the help which the "spiritually seeing" can offer to the "spiritually blind" seems to be restricted to telling them that they are blind.
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Besides, it is quite easy for a seeing person to demonstrate to a blind person that he has an ability the blind person doesn´t have. Interestingly, this seems impossible when it comes to "spiritual vision".
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Because science still ignores 99% of the universe (plasma) and instead has chosen to believe that 96% of it is Fairie Dust. If I ignored carbon while trying to describe a diamond I am sure I would need all sorts of Fairie Dust in my attempt to explain it.
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It is clear that the spiritual dimension is not real in the same sense that light and vision are real. Light and vision is easily provable to a blind person, but the spiritual dimension is not provable to someone who does not perceive it.
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In the real world you are not taking care of yourself if you have to collect a disability check. I do know of one blind person that had a sort of job at McDonalds but it was really very part time and they still leaned heavy on tax payers to support them. Perhaps someone like Stevie Wonder can make enough money to support himself. But he still needs people to take care of him. Another blind person I know was going to the university and trying to get a degree. That is still a long way off from getting a job and supporting himself. If you can afford to pay people to take care of you, then that is different from not being able to pay people to take care of you. The concept of the butcher, the baker & the candlestick maker is not a group of handicapped people. It is a community working together. Each doing what they are best at and trading with others.
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No, that is not the topic of this thread. I would ask that you stop trying to derail it. Now, can you tell us how you would provide evidence to someone who is spiritually blind or no?
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Yet we read that we are to walk in the light and that "God is light and in Him is no darkness". So even though we talk about a spiritual dimension we talk about light and darkness. Yet sometimes blind people can see a little bit. Just as perhaps people are not in total darkness in a spiritual sense.
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Way to miss the point. We can demonstrate to a blind person that light and vision exist. We cannot perform a comparable demonstration of the existence of the spiritual.
My implied point is that it is meaningless to call someone "spiritually blind".
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The problem is that it is all talk. When it comes down to demonstrating these claims we are left with nothing.
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Actually....
Phillips Brooks and Helen Keller
Whereas Helen Keller may have been physically blind, she was never "spiritually blind".
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What do you want from me?
Why do you take the least relevant part of my post in regards to the thread topic, and start a semantics fight?
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You handed me mountains of supernatural sky math, and not a single spec of actual controlled empirical evidence to support any of it.
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You have been shown the empirical evidence, and you run away from it. Sorry, can't help you.
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Jesus says: "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you." It is up to you to ask, seek and knock. If your not asking, seeking and knocking, then do not be surprised if it is not open to you. As you admit your full of talk but when it comes to a demonstration your show up with nothing. You have only judged yourself. You have once again proven the Bible to be true.
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I did that for the first 22 years of my life. I found nothing.
You claim to have found it. So show us.
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