Blasphemy

[DeathMagus]

Do laws against slander and libel deny the right to free speech?

In order to be considered slander and libel, statements have to be

1. Demonstrably untrue
2. Proven to be maliciously intended
3. Proven to be damaging to the victim's public image.

Blasphemy has never and will never pass the first portion litmus test. Ergo, it has never been nor will ever be slander/libel.

 

[Bro_Sam]

In order to be considered slander and libel, statements have to be

1. Demonstrably untrue
2. Proven to be maliciously intended
3. Proven to be damaging to the victim's public image.

Blasphemy has never and will never pass the first portion litmus test. Ergo, it has never been nor will ever be slander/libel.

That's nice. Now, back to my question: do laws against libel and slander deny free speech?

 

[DeathMagus]

That's nice. Now, back to my question: do laws against libel and slander deny free speech?

Of course they do. I know where this is going, but as a courtesy to you I'll wait for you to make your point.

 

[Bro_Sam]

Of course they do.

How?

 

[DeathMagus]

How?

They invoke legal penalties on false speech, thereby restricting it.

 

[Bro_Sam]

They invoke legal penalties on false speech, thereby restricting it.

So then, you believe that we have the right to slander others? What is the basis for that right?

 

[DeathMagus]

So then, you believe that we have the right to slander others? What is the basis for that right?

Pardon? I presented a current legal state. How do you extrapolate a position from that and then attribute it to me?

 

[Bro_Sam]

Pardon? I presented a current legal state. How do you extrapolate a position from that and then attribute it to me?

You complained that laws against slander and libel deny free speech. I'm just asking you where you got the idea that slander and libel are protected under the right to free speech.

 

[DeathMagus]

You complained that laws against slander and libel deny free speech.

How was I complaining? They do deny free speech. I'm quite alright with that.

I'm just asking you where you got the idea that slander and libel are protected under the right to free speech.

I never stated that they were.

 

[Bro_Sam]

How was I complaining? They do deny free speech. I'm quite alright with that.


I never stated that they were.

So, if they're not a part of the right to free speech, how can they be denied?

 

[DeathMagus]

So, if they're not a part of the right to free speech, how can they be denied?

Laws against slander and libel deny free speech, not "the right to free speech"

The "right to free speech" does not include all speech possible.

 

[Bro_Sam]

Laws against slander and libel deny free speech, not "the right to free speech"

If they don't have a right to free speech, then no speech has been denied. You cannot deny something that does not exist.

 

[DeathMagus]

If they don't have a right to free speech, then no speech has been denied. You cannot deny something that does not exist.

If they don't have a right to free speech, then no rights have been denied. Speech is still denied, however. Speech does indeed exist outside of the right to free speech. Such speech is denied, even if no rights are denied.

I can make a Venn diagram for you, if you wish.

 

[yasic]

Ah, but many hard-line Islamic nations have such laws on the books, and most of them have tough agencies dedicated to enforcing those laws.

Not sure if God is doing it that way, but it looks like Allah is.

Yeah, most states in the US do have similar laws, like how an atheist cannot be elected to a government position, be a notary public, or be a jury in Texas, however, unlike in Islamic nations, these laws are rarely, if ever, enforced. (though a few atheists have been known to use such laws to their advantage as an easy 'get out of jury' card)

Though the same argument can be said about Allah, it appears his influence has it's limitations and he cannot quite seem to get most of Europe or the US yet.

 

[MoonLancer]

Do laws against slander and libel deny the right to free speech?

absofrackinglootly

 

[MoonLancer]

So then, you believe that we have the right to slander others? What is the basis for that right?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

and i assert EVERYONE EVERYWHERE has the right to free speech, even if the government has not recognized that right.

 

[Isambard]

GOD is not mocked either.

Really? He seems to be failing in that department given the popularity of atheist comedians.

 

[3sigma]

Should blasphemy be a crime punishable by law?

No, there should be no blasphemy laws.

Blasphemy laws are yet another example of religious believers trying to force people to acquiesce to their particular beliefs. Thinking one has the right to imprison or kill people for blasphemy is like thinking one has the right to imprison or kill people for insulting Harry Potter.

 

[S.gal83]

Blasphemy should not be punishable by law.

 

[Andreusz]

Can't shoot or blow up GOD. Prove to me HE doesn't exist.

The burden of proof lies on the one making the positive claim.