Blame Yourself

[Kutte]

Rosco,

I share your view. Trouble is though, that people always speak of "making" money and not of "earning" money.

Earning money seems no longer be fashionable.

Kutte

 

[KarateCowboy]

If you want more money, do more work.

Amen.


You know, back in 1990 only a small percentage of American homes had a personal computer. There really was no internet except between universities, some government agencies, and some businesses. I mean, it existed, but hardly anyone used it.

Jump forward 18 years. Millions of American homes and homes in Europe, Australia, etc. have a personal computer if not two because one is obsolete and then there's also a laptop for the kid in school. Universities have laboratories with hundreds of them as do schools with one in each classroom, and a computer lab. Every business has at least one, and even McDonald's uses them in the drive-through. If everyone turned off their computers forever we could probably shut down several gas powered electric plants.

Each of those computers uses precious metals, aluminum, and a few pounds of plastic made from petroleum. They are manufactured in huge, fuel guzzling factories by workers who drive their cars there. They are shipped to Best Buy in big trucks that get 1 hwy 0 city where they sit on display burning electricity and playing music. Then people go to Best Buy in their cars, buy the computers, and take them home in their cars. This happens every three-four years because of obsolescence, even though most of these people are not computer programmers. They then set them on their desks and let them run 24/7 because they hate the terrible boot time that Windows Vista has. Then, after they finish watching Al Gore's video on their brand new HD Plasma monitor(those LCDS and CRTs threw out are so Windows-2000 era) they log on to Christian Forums and complain about frivolous energy use.

 

[intrepid]

Blame Yourself

It's your fault that I have to pay more for my daily bread, because you are driving those huge gas guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks.

How come?

Well, farmers are planting more crops to be used for ethanol fuel thereby reducing
acres for raising wheat crops. It all follows the old capitalist rule of supply and demand. Less supply translates into higher prices.

It also explains why I have to pay more than $ 3.00 for a gallon of gas. It's because your bad driving habits are driving up the demand for gas for everybody else.
Oh sure, high gas prices don't worry you because you have no problems doling out
$ 40,000 grand for an oversized SUV or pickup in the first place. But the rest of us with small income are suffering because of your disregard for the rest of us.

Blame greedy oil companies or oil producers such as Saudi Arabia? Give me a break, blame yourself.

Kutte

I drive a seven passenger SUV, brand unimportant. I bought it three years ago to haul samples and Boy Scouts. Right now it's in the driveway, loaded, and I'll leave for Lubbock in the morning. The computer says that I'm averaging 18.1 MPG. I will drive the speed limit. It is perfectly maintained. Tire pressure's perfect. I do everything I can to be efficient.

I can transport myself and six Scouts on camping trips. It would take two Corollas to do that. Factor in tire wear, motor oil usage and pollution and my car is clearly the better choice.

Here's an interesting article on ethanol: http://www.businessweek.com/autos/content/apr2006/bw20060427_493909.htm

Kutte, I do my best. When LBJ said to join the armed forces, I did. When he said to go to Vietnam, I did. I went to college, got a job, pay all of my taxes as required, am nice to my mother, and now it's my fault that gas is three bucks? Gasoline ranges from about $5 to $5.50 per gallon in Denmark, Germany and the UK. Is that my fault, too?

Peace and love.

 

[Nomenclature]

Blame Yourself

It's your fault that I have to pay more for my daily bread, because you are driving those huge gas guzzling SUVs and pickup trucks.

How come?

Well, farmers are planting more crops to be used for ethanol fuel thereby reducing
acres for raising wheat crops. It all follows the old capitalist rule of supply and demand. Less supply translates into higher prices.

It also explains why I have to pay more than $ 3.00 for a gallon of gas. It's because your bad driving habits are driving up the demand for gas for everybody else.
Oh sure, high gas prices don't worry you because you have no problems doling out
$ 40,000 grand for an oversized SUV or pickup in the first place. But the rest of us with small income are suffering because of your disregard for the rest of us.

Blame greedy oil companies or oil producers such as Saudi Arabia? Give me a break, blame yourself.

Kutte

Actually it's your fault that you have to pay more for your "daily bread." Stop buying bread, and start making it. Stop buying fast food, and start cooking it. Stop buying somebody else's vegetables and start growing them. Stop flying. Stop driving. Stop wasting paper with those fast food wrappers. Stop wasting electricity and start burning candles. Stop letting the faucet run when you're brushing your teeth, washing your face, shaving, getting a drink, showering, bathing, etc. Stop throwing your food away when there are children suffering in hunger, here in America. Stop going to movies, paying for cable, going out to dinner, etc., and start volunteering at food banks, shelters, and soup kitchens for the poor, teach kids to read, preparing meals for the elderly people in your neighborhood, etc. Start giving back, and THEN, you can complain about the stick in somebody else's eye, log man.

 

[Kutte]

Nomenclature,

Your comment:
Actually it's your fault that you have to pay more for your "daily bread." Stop buying bread, and start making it. Stop buying fast food, and start cooking it. Stop buying somebody else's vegetables and start growing them. Stop flying. Stop driving. Stop wasting paper with those fast food wrappers. Stop wasting electricity and start burning candles. Stop letting the faucet run when you're brushing your teeth, washing your face, shaving, getting a drink, showering, bathing, etc. Stop throwing your food away when there are children suffering in hunger, here in America. Stop going to movies, paying for cable, going out to dinner, etc., and start volunteering at food banks, shelters, and soup kitchens for the poor, teach kids to read, preparing meals for the elderly people in your neighborhood, etc. Start giving back, and THEN, you can complain about the stick in somebody else's eye, log man.

My response:
I agree with a lot of what you presented here but would prefer sticking with the topic at hand.
Your comments would make a good contribution for a new thread. How about if you start one under the headline "How to be a considered citizen" or something else along the line?

Kutte

 

[Kutte]

Intrepid,

You wrote:
I drive a seven passenger SUV, brand unimportant. I bought it three years ago to haul samples and Boy Scouts. Right now it's in the driveway, loaded, and I'll leave for Lubbock in the morning. The computer says that I'm averaging 18.1 MPG. I will drive the speed limit. It is perfectly maintained. Tire pressure's perfect. I do everything I can to be efficient.

I can transport myself and six Scouts on camping trips. It would take two Corollas to do that. Factor in tire wear, motor oil usage and pollution and my car is clearly the better choice.

You can't be blamed for driving a 7 passenger SUV considering the purpose for which it is being used.
You also deserve to be awarded a Certificate of Appreciation as an outstanding and concerned citizen.

My best, Kutte

 

[Morcova]

Morcova

Your one-liner:
The arrogance of "excusing" people for what they do with their own money is disgusting.
It depends on what the excuse is for, not what people do with their own money.
If jmverville needs a powerful vehicle for driving in mountain areas or numerous country roads one can not blame him for having one.
Kutte

If he lives in the middle of town and has only to drive 3 miles to get to work you can't blame him for having one, simple put, it's none of your business.

 

[KarateCowboy]

Actually it's your fault that you have to pay more for your "daily bread." Stop buying bread, and start making it. Stop buying fast food, and start cooking it. Stop buying somebody else's vegetables and start growing them. Stop flying. Stop driving. Stop wasting paper with those fast food wrappers. Stop wasting electricity and start burning candles. Stop letting the faucet run when you're brushing your teeth, washing your face, shaving, getting a drink, showering, bathing, etc. Stop throwing your food away when there are children suffering in hunger, here in America. Stop going to movies, paying for cable, going out to dinner, etc., and start volunteering at food banks, shelters, and soup kitchens for the poor, teach kids to read, preparing meals for the elderly people in your neighborhood, etc. Start giving back, and THEN, you can complain about the stick in somebody else's eye, log man.

STOP USING TOILET PAPER AND START USING OLD PHONE BOOKS!

Spoiler: In reality

I actually have all compact fluorescent lights in my apartment. I am just being silly above, not mocking anyone

 

[Morcova]

STOP USING TOILET PAPER AND START USING OLD PHONE BOOKS!

WE HAVE TO START NOW OR OUR CHILDREN WONT HAVE ANY TREES

 

[Kutte]

Morcova,

You wrote:

"If he lives in the middle of town and has only to drive 3 miles to get to work you can't blame him for having one, simple put, it's none of your business."

I disagree.
Yes, it becomes my business if his driving habits contribute to increase the demand for gasoline thereby limiting the supply and fostering high gas prices.

Did it occur to you that it takes just a minor accident in one of the refineries to send gas prices higher because refineries have a hard time keeping up with the demand, not to mention our dependence on OPEC.

Kutte

 

[mpok1519]

But the only way to GET RID OF OIL DEPENDENCY is to drive the prices so unbelieveably sky-high smart people will eventually find something else thats better than gasoline and invent new sources of energy.

If anything PLEASE KEEP DRIVING SUVs! you're the ones who'll be the driving force behind the ingenius of inventing more enviornmentally safe alternative fuels.

I do agree, but if the price of oil stays down, then that means our complacency with the stuff will continue, and we shouldn't be complacent to use fossil fuels for very much longer as long-term use impacts the earth negatively.

So keep driving the SUVs >> people need an over abundance of problem to find the motivation for a solution.

 

[Morcova]

Morcova,

You wrote:

"If he lives in the middle of town and has only to drive 3 miles to get to work you can't blame him for having one, simple put, it's none of your business."

I disagree.
Yes, it becomes my business if his driving habits contribute to increase the demand for gasoline thereby limiting the supply and fostering high gas prices.

Did it occur to you that it takes just a minor accident in one of the refineries to send gas prices higher because refineries have a hard time keeping up with the demand, not to mention our dependence on OPEC.

Kutte

No, it never become your business what another person does with their money, sorry.


You are welcome to whine all you wish, but you don't get to tell others how they should spend their money.

 

[Kutte]

Morcova,

You wrote:
No, it never become your business what another person does with their money, sorry.
You are welcome to whine all you wish, but you don't get to tell others how they should spend their money.

What everybody does with their money is not the issue.

However, it becomes everybody's business if some proceed with wasteful habits thereby increasing demands for a commodity with limited supplies.

Kutte

 

[intrepid]

You also deserve to be awarded a Certificate of Appreciation as an outstanding and concerned citizen.

My best, Kutte

I agree! Is there any cash award associated with that!?

 

[Steezie]

Drive electric?

 

[Kutte]

Intrepid,

Your question:
'I agree! Is there any cash award associated with that!? '

Ha! I don't know, but there should be because it would increase an incentive for others to follow your example.

By the way, many folks who don't care about their wasteful lifestyle by creating a high demand for oil products also contribute to high heating oil costs which is a burden for low and middle income families. I forgot to mention this in my opening post.

Kutte
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[Kutte]

mpok,

The sarcasm in your post #31 didn't escape my attention.
Yeah right, le'ts all drive SUVs, or better yet, those humongous Hummers which would really put a strain on the supply side thereby driving price for gas astronomical higher, forcing people finally to wake up to the problems at hand.

Kutte

 

[Glaz]

I wouldn't lay it all on the SUV'ers, America has a very large transportation infrastructure that burns a lot of fuel all by itself. And you can waste fuel even with so-called more energy efficient cars just through poor driving habits that are not exclusive to people who own SUV's. This is a collective problem, and while laying the blame on one group of people may make it easier to channel your anger and help relieve your own personal anxiety, its actually a very selfish thing to do and not helpful in the big scheme of things.

 

[HumbleMan]

This is not solely an American made problem, folks. Yeah, we waste a lot of energy, but as I said before, China, India, and Russia do as well. Of the four major consumers, only Russia is producing, and by using their own supplies, there's actually less on the open market.

Also, I read that oil is over $101 a barrell due to the declining dollar on the world market. American influences are not the sole factor in the price of gas.

 

[Kutte]

HumbleMan,

American influences are not the sole factor in the price of gas

Of course not. But by cutting some of our wasteful behavior we would be less depended on Opec oil and wouldn't have to transform wheat fields into fields producing crops to be used for ethanol fuel.

Kutte