Black Mass Again!!!

[Chrystal-J]

Actually, I just remembered that it was the last part of the same dream I had where I saw a vision of Hell. And that happened when I was still dabbling in Wicca just before I decided to do a 180 and convert to Christianity. It actually scared the Hell of of me (literally) and was what first motivated me to start thinking about becoming a Christian. I had been raised by an agnostic mother. The dream began with a porno actor who spontaneously combusted into flames while in the middle of the sex act while filming a porno. He started to scream in agony as he burst into flames. Then I was in some kind of pitch black place where I heard howls, moaning, and other things that sounded wicked. Then came the part where I saw people in large crowds exiting from a building where they had been worshiping the Devil. And they looked like average people.

I have vivid religious dreams like that too. (I also have visions when I'm awake.) I feel like it's the Lord reaching out to me to reveal something to me. When I started praying for my son and his girlfriend to come to Christ, my son's girlfriend started having dreams similar to what you're talking about. (Dreams where the damned go into hell by their actions.) There are many bible verses where God reached out to people through dreams, so I feel this is a legitimate way for God to tell me something--so, I try to listen to what's being presented in those dreams.

 

[StRestlessHeart333]

Actually, I just remembered that it was the last part of the same dream I had where I saw a vision of Hell. And that happened when I was still dabbling in Wicca just before I decided to do a 180 and convert to Christianity. It actually scared the Hell of of me (literally) and was what first motivated me to start thinking about becoming a Christian. I had been raised by an agnostic mother. The dream began with a porno actor who spontaneously combusted into flames while in the middle of the sex act while filming a porno. He started to scream in agony as he burst into flames. Then I was in some kind of pitch black place where I heard howls, moaning, and other things that sounded wicked. Then came the part where I saw people in large crowds exiting from a building where they had been worshiping the Devil. And they looked like average people.

Wow! Was that a wake up call or what? Thanks be to God he brought you home before being lost forever. I pray everyone will be saved like this. I changed 180 too because of a dream but my dream was not "hellish" like yours, though it did scare me. But it saved my soul.

 

[RileyG]

Actually, I just remembered that it was the last part of the same dream I had where I saw a vision of Hell. And that happened when I was still dabbling in Wicca just before I decided to do a 180 and convert to Christianity. It actually scared the Hell of of me (literally) and was what first motivated me to start thinking about becoming a Christian. I had been raised by an agnostic mother. The dream began with a porno actor who spontaneously combusted into flames while in the middle of the sex act while filming a porno. He started to scream in agony as he burst into flames. Then I was in some kind of pitch black place where I heard howls, moaning, and other things that sounded wicked. Then came the part where I saw people in large crowds exiting from a building where they had been worshiping the Devil. And they looked like average people.

I told very few people about this......

When I was 12 years old I had a dream of the damned. (I believe) They were very grey souls, just hanging there. Fire and smoke was everywhere and the feeling was total despair. I don't recall any audio to my dream. Just feelings and visuals. Very scary.

I don't think it was from God though.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

I told very few people about this......

When I was 12 years old I had a dream of the damned. (I believe) They were very grey souls, just hanging there. Fire and smoke was everywhere and the feeling was total despair. I don't recall any audio to my dream. Just feelings and visuals. Very scary.

I don't think it was from God though.

I believe that the vision I had in my dream was from God for two reasons. The first reason I believe it was from God is that it turned me away from the evil I was into and motivated me to convert to Christ and led me to His one true Church. The second reason why I believe it was from God is that what I saw in my dream has come to pass. And it appears that it is happening exactly the way that I saw it in my dream. 20 years ago no one would have thought we'd be seeing the state government allowing satanists to use a civic auditorium for performing a so-called "Black Mass."

 

[RileyG]

I believe that the vision I had in my dream was from God for two reasons. The first reason I believe it was from God is that it turned me away from the evil I was into and motivated me to convert to Christ and led me to His one true Church. The second reason why I believe it was from God is that what I saw in my dream has come to pass. And it appears that it is happening exactly the way that I saw it in my dream. 20 years ago no one would have thought we'd be seeing the state government allowing satanists to use a civic auditorium for performing a so-called "Black Mass."

Thanks for sharing.

I haven't been alive for 20 years, so I don't know what the social life/political life was like back in the '90s.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Thanks for sharing.

I haven't been alive for 20 years, so I don't know what the social life/political life was like back in the '90s.

People born today are born into the age of the so-called "new normal" where what had always been called evil is now called good and what had always been called good is now called evil. So, unless they love truth and diligently seek it out, most would not have a clue that things used to be very different. It's a lot easier to go with the flow of the culture of hedonism than to go against it.

 

[RileyG]

People born today are born into the age of the so-called "new normal" where what had always been called evil is now called good and what had always been called good is now called evil. So, unless they love truth and diligently seek it out, most would not have a clue that things used to be very different. It's a lot easier to go with the flow of the culture of hedonism than to go against it.

Yes that does make sense. However, I think with today society's all the cruelty, disorder, chaos are just birth pangs before [Christ] The Judge will come to judge the people. The end.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Here's a good example of what "dabbling" in the occult really is (from Maria Simma-Mystic of the Church):

"We are not supposed to summon up the souls - I don't try to get them to come. In spiritism, people try to call them forth. This distinction is quite clear, and we must take it very seriously. If people were only to believe one thing I have said, I would like it to be this: those who engage in spiritism (calling forth the dead, moving tables and other practices of that kind) think that they are summoning up the souls of the dead. In reality, if there is some response to their call, it is always and without exception Satan and his angels who are answering. People who practice spiritism (diviners, witches, mediums, etc.) are doing something very dangerous for themselves and for those who come to them for advice. They are up to their necks in lies. It is forbidden, strictly forbidden, to call up the dead. As for me, I have never done so, l do not do so, and I never will do so."

- See more at: Mystics of the Church: Maria Simma & the visits from the souls in Purgatory

 

[Azureknight 773]

Actually, I just remembered that it was the last part of the same dream I had where I saw a vision of Hell. And that happened when I was still dabbling in Wicca just before I decided to do a 180 and convert to Christianity. It actually scared the Hell of of me (literally) and was what first motivated me to start thinking about becoming a Christian. I had been raised by an agnostic mother. The dream began with a porno actor who spontaneously combusted into flames while in the middle of the sex act while filming a porno. He started to scream in agony as he burst into flames. Then I was in some kind of pitch black place where I heard howls, moaning, and other things that sounded wicked. Then came the part where I saw people in large crowds exiting from a building where they had been worshiping the Devil. And they looked like average people.

This reminded me of my old dream way back in college when I was sleeping. The dream sequence was that I was initially in the hospital in that dream stage for I was somewhat visiting a physician friend of mine. I went to the outer part of that hospital to leave to the hotel where I am gonna eat my dinner. I then went back to the hospital after some time in that hotel due to another conversation with a pharmacist or something that has to take place (BTW, I can't remember anything we discussed since it was kinda gibberish if we are to trace it back). I then exited that hospital again through driving a car (which IRL, I don't know how to drive) in order to go to the big mall where I was supposed to watch a movie but then all of a sudden, many reddish pentagrams with the Baphomet's head and evil Hebrew letters came across the road and an evil group of shril tenebrious voices telling me to worship the Dark Lord himself. Dang! I don't wanna, so I decided to jump out of that dream stage in order to get back into the conscious reality of the awakened people. I said to myself, "DANG! I don't like that!". The Dark Lord himself wants to make good guys, especially God, His Majesty in Heaven's people go to Hell by worshiping him. Sometimes, I want to grab a material weapon that can harm demons to hit them left and right till they all fall in agony.

 

[LoAmmi]

People born today are born into the age of the so-called "new normal" where what had always been called evil is now called good and what had always been called good is now called evil. So, unless they love truth and diligently seek it out, most would not have a clue that things used to be very different. It's a lot easier to go with the flow of the culture of hedonism than to go against it.

You know, reading your posts on this subject had lead me to believe that the reason you and I disagree so often is not the concept of good and evil or a difference concept of G-d and all that, but the way we have been influenced by our own cultural baggage. I do take good and evil seriously and do see a lot of problems in the world that are certainly against good. (Of course, any concept of Satan is going to go off the rails between us but that's a whole other kettle of fish)

I think Jews are very influenced by the past to leave the world alone as much as possible. Don't try to change the people around us, don't fight them, don't rock the boat so to speak. We do our thing, we keep our promises with the divine, and the rest of the world will be the rest of the world. I mean, the Torah makes it clear that the idea was for a separate people from the other nations in Canaan and I think we carry that with us. It's an interesting realization to me. We probably, in the end, don't actually believe or behave that differently. It's our approach to the rest of the world that's different.

For what it's worth, I am happy that you found a path that brought you closer to HaShem and that it has helped you live a better life.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well I'm not saying people shouldn't be concerned about this stuff, and I 100% agree with you that demons have serious power to enter our lives and world through occult activities. No disagreement WHATSOEVER! I'm just concerned that Satanists get more press, notoriety, and support when we Christians go nuts protesting them it seems than when we just quietly pray and stay away from it.

The world is quickly spiraling out of control. I'm starting to think that all we can do is fight for our own and draw a line in the sand protecting our brethren. We can't fight every single Satanist, abortionist, contraceptionist, liberal scientist, atheist, and wackadoodle out there. But we CAN feed the poor here in town, take care of OUR children and make sure they know the idiocy of Satanism and the 'new morality,' teach our families against the LGBT Nazi fascism we're surrounded by, and fight by preserving what we have.

Super conservative/tea party types in America think we can restore and return America to its roots. They think we can somehow end abortion, get rid of the gay rights silliness, and make Christianity the religion of America again. I hate to be cynical, but it isn't going to happen. I think Satanic rituals will ensue whether you and I like it or not.

And when you get down to it, Hinduism worships gods that are, in reality, demonic as well! Then the Sikkhs worship false idol gods. The Buddhists do as well. Then there are Unitarian Universalists and Scientologists that have a sort of egotistical bizarre cult of evil. The Mormons are as dangerous as Satanists in a way in that they promote spirit babies, the Planet Kolob, magic underwear, bizarre rituals, the idea of God being flesh and bone (God the Father that is!), God the Father married to a mother goddess, false prophecies, false translations, false histories, etc.! The Mormons are absolution insane. They teach that Jesus was a mere mortal man who EVOLVED into the Christ. Is this not demonic teaching!?

The Jehovah's Witnesses are evil as heck. They are basically Arians!

Worse things happen at Marilyn Manson and Slayer concerts than Satanic "black masses." Marilyn Manson wipes his butt with Bible pages on stage. We're not going to stop that perverse freak from doing his "shows."

A Miley Cyrus concert sings a steady liturgy to young girls that teaches them to be sexual automotons for men. They hear 2-3 hours of perversity and porn in song. They watch Miley "twerk" and do sick sexual things. They come out of this musical liturgy affected. But can we stop her?

You have Boy Scouts with homosexual leaders hanging around your boys. We couldn't stop that. Yeesh.

Turn on Showtime and you'll see at least 4 shows dedicated to swinging or being a lesbian. Can't stop it.

Gay pride parades are all over the country. Can't stop 'em.

Legalized drugs all over the place. A nation of dopers. It's demonic, too. Can't stop it.

Satanists wanting to put up a Baphomet demon statue in a courthouse in Kansas.

Episcopalians co-worshipping with Hindus and sharing the chalice.

A nation that spies on its own people.



I think you get my drift. I TOTALLY agree with you about the dangers of this Satanic stuff, but I want to make it clear that our society doesn't care. It will go on. The "black mass" is a mockery of the Catholic Mass. But will that matter? No way. Liberals won't mock Islam or Hinduism or Buddhism, but Christianity HAS ALWAYS been fair game! You can dunk a rosary in urine or cover the Theotokos in feces on a piece of "art" or pervert a crucifix, but as long as it's not Islam, it's fair game in the U.S. We're living in a post-Christian age, so why will the government or most Americans care if Satanists are worshipping a mockery of Catholicism?

I'm Orthodox, but I love Catholics, was Catholic for 30 years, and I can't bear to see them mocked in any fashion. But that's ME! Most of the country has moved on from Christianity and could care less.

I agree that Satan is happy to see the spiritual/moral decline of people. But, having been exposed to the occult when I was young, I would say the "black mass" is a very powerful thing. It's a powerful thing for evil, instead of good--but, I wouldn't dismiss it like it's nothing. When you're around stuff like that, you can feel the (negative) spiritual power of Satan--it's very real. Demons can attach themselves to you at events like this (or in other situations, like using the Ouija boards). You have a hard time getting away from them after that. (Not sure about Orthodox religions), but Roman Catholics believe that people can become possessed by Satan or his demons. It's at events like this, that that process can be started.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

accidental duplicate

 

[Chrystal-J]

I feel someone should speak up regarding the dangers of Satanic rituals and worship. If we keep silent about it, then uneducated people will not realize the danger they're getting into when they participate in these things. When you're only hearing one side (the Satanic side), then you're easily misled. I'm not saying to create a chaotic protest against these things, but we must speak out to help people understand the dangers of it.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

That's a reasonable position for sure.

I feel someone should speak up regarding the dangers of Satanic rituals and worship. If we keep silent about it, then uneducated people will not realize the danger they're getting into when they participate in these things. When you're only hearing one side (the Satanic side), then you're easily misled. I'm not saying to create a chaotic protest against these things, but we must speak out to help people understand the dangers of it.

 

[Tigg]

And we have 40-50,000 Christians and minorities on a mountain with IS threatening to kill them. I object to any persecution or death due to any religion. Evil is marching with boots on. And a Black Mass again.

St Michael the archangel defends us in the hour of battle. Be our protection against the malice of the devil.may God rebuke him we humbly pray and may the prince of the heavenly host cast into hell satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of soul Amen.

EDIT: Just found out Pres. Obama sent aid to those stuck. Sent food and water to them Read about it on the news. God bless him.

 

[Rhamiel]

Gurney, you talk a lot of sense

I do have the feeling that we are reaching a "tipping point" but this could just be paranoia talking

also, as for getting America back to her "roots"
a big part of those roots were secularism and Freemasonry, so I am in no rush to get back to that

but yeah, I agree with a lot of what you had to say

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

Well, you're dead-on. Perhaps "roots" is a bad choice of verbiage with me there. Most of the Founding Fathers were either Deists or belonged to some pretty odd Protestant groups or seemed agnostic. I look at Thomas Jefferson's "Christianity" and face-palm heavily! :o Like I said, Deism was so en vogue at the time with the French influence, it's bizarre. Many of them were Unitarians, too, which is an odd group! I think what I should have said was "get America back to more traditional Judeo-Christian morality." You look at the U.S. in the early 20th Century, and the common meat and puhtayters American had pretty solid values.

But I think your point about our origins and Fathers and major players in America's birth being odd ducks is a very important one! That is why I have a real problem with the Republicans and the Tea Party movement. They are right, dead-on, about a lot of moral issues from the LGBT stuff to abortion to euthanasia and contraception, on and on, but they're dishonest about our history. The liberals like to speculate that Abe Lincoln was gay, Jefferson a cross-dresser, and that every Founding Father probably was bisexual, into interior decorating, used drugs, shacked up, and rolled their eyes at religion. The Right Wing conservatives opine that the Founders and early architects of the nation were all staunch Christians who not only went to church every Sunday faithfully, but all were loyal Christians in theology, morality, and their every waking moment was giving glory to Christ creating a Christian nation. BOLONEY! Both are silly. American morality is more like the Republican vision, yes, but the theology was more loosey-goosey agnostic to deist with a lot of cynicism and skeptical wit thrown in.

Look at how most good ole boys view Henry Ford. "What a hero!" Built Ford tough, man! Yeah, right. The guy was a NAZI SYMPATHIZER! Or look at Thomas Edison. Most Fox News people probably think the guy was a Christian, religious, great pillar. The guy was interested in EUGENICS! Look at Mark Twain! Holy moly! While the guy's wit is classic and I love so much about him, the man's commentary about Christianity, oh my Goodness!!!! That guy was super lampooning Christians and our religion constantly! Very cynical, ultra skeptical. The list goes on and on.....

Both liberals and conservatives love anachronism; they relish the moment to re-invent our heroes and put a spin on these folks. The whole "Lincoln was gay!" and "Lincoln was a super religious man!" both are such folly!

You look at the Mayflower, man! Half the ship is religious zealots who are too Protestant for England. The other half were secularists who wanted nothing of this Christian stuff. They wanted $$$, opportunity, commerce, jobs! Not much has changed in that regard. Religion and opportunistic folks, both showing a lot of hypocrisy together...that's America!

The world is in bad shape. Really bad shape. So when this Black Mass stuff comes up, I am not in the LEAST surprised! With this drugged-out, tatted-up, uneducated, morally ambiguous "I'm spiritual man, but not religious!" nation of people who can't get through a sentence without saying "like" 15 times who shack up and abort and explore same-sex nonsense and have this wobbly sense of truth, with all the prisons loaded to the hilt and such mass violence and thirst for it, goodness, Satanism seems like just another cartoonish voice amidst so many.

I'd almost rather hear a Satanist than have to listen to those women on The View. Perhaps Anton La Vey, if we could resurrect him, would be more lucid than Miley Cyrus or the Kardashians or President Obama! They'd probably agree on ONE HECK OF A LOT! Alasteir Crowley's ghost speaking about demon-worship or listening to Kelly Rippa and Oprah? That would be a TOUGH ONE, wouldn't it!

America is like a mental institution. Throwing in some Satanists to the circus doesn't change that crazy implosion much.

Gurney, you talk a lot of sense

I do have the feeling that we are reaching a "tipping point" but this could just be paranoia talking

also, as for getting America back to her "roots"
a big part of those roots were secularism and Freemasonry, so I am in no rush to get back to that

but yeah, I agree with a lot of what you had to say

 

[FlaviusAetius]

I feel someone should speak up regarding the dangers of Satanic rituals and worship. If we keep silent about it, then uneducated people will not realize the danger they're getting into when they participate in these things. When you're only hearing one side (the Satanic side), then you're easily misled. I'm not saying to create a chaotic protest against these things, but we must speak out to help people understand the dangers of it.

The people who do these black masses do so out of hatred for Christianity. All that would happen if people spoke up about the dangers of Satanic rituals is they'll continue doing it because,

1. They know it angers Christians now

2. They may have more faith that it might actually do something beneficial for them.

 

[Chrystal-J]

The people who do these black masses do so out of hatred for Christianity. All that would happen if people spoke up about the dangers of Satanic rituals is they'll continue doing it because,

1. They know it angers Christians now

2. They may have more faith that it might actually do something beneficial for them.

I'm not saying to speak out against them cuz it'll stop the promoters. I'm saying warn uneducated people about this so they don't fall into the trap. I realize there are those seeking this out, but there are also people who naively think Black Masses are harmless. They're the one's who need to warned. It'd be like someone running around saying heroin is great--but, not explaining the over-dose/addiction aspects of it.

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

But in order to warn them of its dangers, first the people who are considering it need to actually have a Christian background!

We're dealing with a largely secular or agnostic, cynical, skeptical, angry culture that is quite rebellious. Most teenagers have lousy parents in this country. They're fed up with it, too. Many have no direction or live in a world of drugs, "hook-ups" and text-messaging being their holy trinity.

If Christianity is being "sober," and they don't know Christianity anyway, then trying the "black mass" isn't a drug for them. It's just another cool, anti-establishment, tick off the conservatives and traditionalists iconoclastic hijinx for them. It's just silly and playful to them.

We can't warn them until they realize the GOOD guys are Christians!

I'm not saying to speak out against them cuz it'll stop the promoters. I'm saying warn uneducated people about this so they don't fall into the trap. I realize there are those seeking this out, but there are also people who naively think Black Masses are harmless. They're the one's who need to warned. It'd be like someone running around saying heroin is great--but, not explaining the over-dose/addiction aspects of it.