Bisexuals?

[MachZer0]

Anal sex is abnormal.

Making homosexaulity abnormal. Again, we agree.

That doesn't make it wrong. And more sexual acts than you can imagine are natural - because they occur in nature, including things as bizarre as beak-genital propulsion or echolocation sex, both occurring in dolphins.

So now you're comparing homosexuals to animals?

 

[Mumei]

Making homosexaulity abnormal. Again, we agree.

Indeed.

It is also abnormal to be a human male and not having hair loss in one's 60s.

Abnormal is not immoral.

So now you're comparing homosexuals to animals?

Of course not.

I am comparing human sexuality to animal sexuality. That means, you, too.

 

[MachZer0]

Indeed.

It is also abnormal to be a human male and not having hair loss in one's 60s.

Abnormal is not immoral.

What is abnormal about having one's own hair at 60?

Of course not.

I am comparing human sexuality to animal sexuality. That means, you, too.

What you're saying is that if animals do it, humans should do it. In other words, sexually, homosexuals are mere animals according to that argument

 

[Mumei]

What is abnormal about having one's own hair at 60?

Why are you so fundamentally incapable of reading a single solitary post without claiming it says something completely contrary to what it actually says?

It is unusual to be in your 60s and not have any hair loss or hair thinning.

What you're saying is that if animals do it, humans should do it. In other words, sexually, homosexuals are mere animals according to that argument

Heterosexuals and homosexuals are mere humans. That's all we are. We are highly evolved animals, to be sure, capable of reasoning - or at least some of us. But we are animals.

And my logic was not that because animals do it, humans should do it.

I'll note that I did not call for the imitation of animal behavior in any way, shape, or form. I said that homosexual acts were natural because animals do it.

You need to learn how to switch gears on an argument. If you don't know how to do it yet, you need to get someone to teach you. Just because we were arguing about morals at one point doesn't mean a thing. The subject had changed to whether homosexuality was natural. I was responding to that point. Pretending that I was trying to apply that point to another argument is either ignorant or trolling. Whichever one it is, learn to stop.

 

[MachZer0]

It is unusual to be in your 60s and not have any hair loss or hair thinning.

Sounds like sterotyping of seniors to me

I said that homosexual acts were natural because animals do it.

Thus reducing homosexuals to the level of lower life forms.

 

[Bianca87]

"The good thing about being bisexual is that it doubles your chance of a date on a Saturday night."
-woody allen-

just lightening the conversation...

in my opinion something can hardly be not natural, since with us being part of nature, we determine what it is.

 

[MachZer0]

in my opinion something can hardly be not natural, since with us being part of nature, we determine what it is.

That philosophy necessarily includes, incest, child molestation and rape all as being natural. I got your drift

 

[ews]

"Consensual penile-anal intercourse can be performed safely provided there is adequate lubrication. Few anorectal problems and no evidence of anal-sphincter dysfunction are found in heterosexual women who have anal-receptive intercourse."

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I heard on the TV that this is a choice of some of the younger people (boy/girl) to ward off the threat of pregnancies.

 

[Bianca87]

That philosophy necessarily includes, incest, child molestation and rape all as being natural. I got your drift

it is natural, doesn't make it right, since hurts other individuals, but still natural.

I heard on the TV that this is a choice of some of the younger people (boy/girl) to ward off the threat of pregnancies.

that's so unfair for the girls...

 

[Ryal Kane]

That philosophy necessarily includes, incest, child molestation and rape all as being natural. I got your drift

Actually I'd say yes. To a certain degree I think these are the result of biological and sociological factors but there is a cause for them.

Whether or not homosexuality is genetic, biological, sociological, inherant or learnt is really quite irrelevent.

Religion for example is most definitly a learned behavoir, yet we don't label it unnatural. Whether or not I like brocolli may be genetic or something I picked up in life. Whether I like redhead might be same or whether I'm attracted to men or women or both.

You're attempts to derail the thread with pedantics and obfuscation don't help your arguement MachZero. Nor will your inevitable attempts to quotemine this post.

 

[Mumei]

It is true that some heterosexual teenage couples practice anal sex for that reason. And it is not unfair to the girls. It is ultimately their choice, after all.

 

[ews]

it is natural, doesn't make it right, since hurts other individuals, but still natural.


that's so unfair for the girls...

you are right but…girls…it seems like all that is needed is to say ‘I love you’ and the rest is history.

 

[Ryal Kane]

I heard on the TV that this is a choice of some of the younger people (boy/girl) to ward off the threat of pregnancies.

What's most problematic about this trend is that
A: they often don't consider it 'real' sex and
B - Since there is no risk of pregnancy they don't use protection.

Sadly this is often the result of poor sex education telling them false facts such as that condoms don't work.

 

[ews]

Sadly this is often the result of poor sex education telling them false facts such as that condoms don't work.

I believe you are right, sex ed is important. I had a conversation with a young heterosexual man from Ireland and at the time condoms were not an option unless they were brought over from England. Saran wrap was used in some quarters prophylacticaly, and how sad is that.

Sometimes education should starts from the top. Hope things have changed there.

 

[MachZer0]

it is natural, doesn't make it right, since hurts other individuals, but still natural.

The "hurt" in those cases are mere social constructs. You don't see female dogs running to to the psychiatrist after she has been forcibly penetrated by a male dog. Seems like some folks want to have it both ways. They want to claim some things are OK because they are observed in nature (meaning the lower animals) while other things are not necessarily OK just because they are observed in nature. Meantine, they want to force those beliefs on the rest of us.

 

[trunks2k]

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Sometimes education should starts from the top. Hope things have changed there.

I don't live in Ireland, but I was there a couple years ago and have had family that's been there recently. It's changed significantly. Ireland is quickly becoming a modern European country, and a large amount of influence by the church on the government has been removed because, I am told, people just got so tired of it.

 

[Bianca87]

The "hurt" in those cases are mere social constructs. You don't see female dogs running to to the psychiatrist after she has been forcibly penetrated by a male dog. Seems like some folks want to have it both ways. They want to claim some things are OK because they are observed in nature (meaning the lower animals) while other things are not necessarily OK just because they are observed in nature. Meantine, they want to force those beliefs on the rest of us.

i never told you that i believed homosexuality was ok because it accures in nature, i just think the "natural/innatural" argument doesn't work on both sides, it's just nonsense.
i believe you have the right to consider homosexuality wrong, but the society cannot do it, becuse it's not an harmful behaviour if it's consensual.

 

[selfinflikted]

Mumei,

I just finished reading that article you posted about anal sex. Specifically, the article indicates numerous injuries, diseases, and infections homosexuals recieve due to anal sex. After several lengthy and medically detailed paragraphs, which appear to me to be nothing more than a thinly veiled gay-bashing article, the author then goes on to say

"Consensual penile-anal intercourse can be performed safely provided there is adequate lubrication. Few anorectal problems and no evidence of anal-sphincter dysfunction are found in heterosexual women who have anal-receptive intercourse."

Does anyone take this guy seriously? I lol'ed irl @ this article. It's a shame that people can't read between the lines when it comes to crap like this.

 

[bourgeois89]

I think that all people are equal in god's eyes.

He is a big god and he is full of love.

I dont think he is going to condemn people to hell because they like the same sex.

He forgives us for all of past, present and future sins!

Dont listen to others, do what in your heart feels right.

 

[ExistencePrecedesEssence]

Bourgeois society, bah.