Birther control

[4xbypass]

I don't think for a minute any of the birth certificate folks think that if Obama were impeached that McCain and Palin would become the president and vice president. In your attempt to discredit the birthers (which they pretty much do just fine without anyone illuminating their buffoonery) you made yourself look painfully ignorant about who you're bashing. Bravo.

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[Blackguard_]

Why should he when his continued refusal drives nit-wits to self-destruction? I say: let them go crazy, riot, rebel, be arrested and locked up. At least they won't be able to vote that way

You mean "let them act like loony toon leftists"?

And what nit-wits has he driven to self destruction?

 

[4xbypass]

You mean "let them act like loony toon leftists"?

And what nit-wits has he driven to self destruction?

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[katautumn]

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And I see intelligent, civil discourse escapes you once again. You're under twenty-five, aren't you?

 

[4xbypass]

And I see intelligent, civil discourse escapes you once again. You're under twenty-five, aren't you?

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[Subdood]

You know, claiming "birthers" are idiots or hysterical conspiracy theorists or whatever childish names people here want to call them - merely claiming they are what you say they are carries about as much legitimate weight as does merely assuming the President is a natural born citizen - or the president himself merely pretending he's a natural born citizen - short of offering proof.

He doesn't need to make his case public - if he's a natural born citizen, he's nothing to fear - take his proof to the Supreme Court - let them decide.

That he hasn't, or won't (more likely) only casts a growing cloud on the legitimacy of his presidency. And rather than address the issue - a simple thing to do, really - rather than address it, Obama (directly or indirectly) has hired a bunch of law firms around the country to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, college records, passport information, and other documents. Estimates vary but given the number of them the amount is likely between $1.5 and $2 million dollars so far.

Pardon my idiocy and conspiratorialist leanings - but doesn't it beg the question "Why?"

And similarly - your hatred and venom against the so-called "birthers" also begs the question - "Why don't you want proof too?"

Even a basic respect for the office and position of President of the United States would lead an upright man to want to honor the office itself, preventing scandal, avoiding rumors, etc.. Why won't he? Cuz we're all idiots?

 

[4xbypass]

Why won't he? Cuz we're all idiots?

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[USincognito]

You know, claiming "birthers" are idiots or hysterical conspiracy theorists or whatever childish names people here want to call them - merely claiming they are what you say they are carries about as much legitimate weight as does merely assuming the President is a natural born citizen - or the president himself merely pretending he's a natural born citizen - short of offering proof.

What makes you think he hasn't? Have you been living in a cave the last 2 1/2 years?

He doesn't need to make his case public - if he's a natural born citizen, he's nothing to fear - take his proof to the Supreme Court - let them decide.

Why would he need to take his birth certificate to the Supreme Court? Do you know anything about the vetting process for citizenship?

That he hasn't, or won't (more likely) only casts a growing cloud on the legitimacy of his presidency.

Stop right there. He has. It's the CT kooks like Jerome Corsey and Orly Taitz that cannot accept his presidency who are still fighting this long lost battle.

And rather than address the issue - a simple thing to do, really - rather than address it, Obama (directly or indirectly) has hired a bunch of law firms around the country to prevent any public access to his birth certificate, college records, passport information, and other documents. Estimates vary but given the number of them the amount is likely between $1.5 and $2 million dollars so far.

Those "estimates" are from the CTists and have no basis in reality. Look at these Google results. It's all cranks and kooks.

Pardon my idiocy and conspiratorialist leanings - but doesn't it beg the question "Why?"

And similarly - your hatred and venom against the so-called "birthers" also begs the question - "Why don't you want proof too?"

You mean other than the TWO birth announcements in the Honolulu newspapers and the birth certificate he's already produced? That's more than enough proof for reasonable, rational people.

Even a basic respect for the office and position of President of the United States would lead an upright man to want to honor the office itself, preventing scandal, avoiding rumors, etc.. Why won't he? Cuz we're all idiots?

You don't appear to be familiar with CTists. Have you ever taken a look at the claims of 9/11 truthers or Holocaust denialists? A lot of their "arguments" are similar to those offered by birthers.

 

[katautumn]

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It's okay. Your bandwidth theft/attempt to "discredit" me through the not so clever use of images speaks volumes. When you have a leg to stand on let me know. Otherwise everyone else engaging you is merely urinating into the wind.

 

[4xbypass]

It's okay. Your bandwidth theft/attempt to "discredit" me through the not so clever use of images speaks volumes. When you have a leg to stand on let me know. Otherwise everyone else engaging you is merely urinating into the wind.

Why do you hate America?

 

[katautumn]

Why do you hate America?

I don't. Not sure why you want to expose us all to your inanity and mediocre debating skills. I fail to see how my calling you out and challenging you on posting nothing but sarcasm and images in a politics debate forum proves I "hate America". The burden of proof is on you. Perhaps you could indulge us in more than one-liners.

 

[4xbypass]

I don't. Not sure why you want to expose us all to your inanity and mediocre debating skills. I fail to see how my calling you out and challenging you on posting nothing but sarcasm and images in a politics debate forum proves I hate America. The burden of proof is on you. Perhaps you could indulge us in more than one-liners.

You're the one who has come back for more despite storming off in a huff. Obviously you have some kind of need to get the last word.

 

[oldbetang]

Well, I for one am not objecting to the desire to see the birth certificate; I'm objecting to repeated demands for it to be produced when it already has been produced. I object to misinformation, accusation, and ignoring easily-verifiable facts.

I'm not a Birther myself. I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii. However, I feel compelled to point out here once again that Obama's Birth Certificate has not been produced. That is, the long form certificate has not been made public.

 

[oldbetang]

And what nit-wits has he driven to self destruction?
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That was lowbrow. Or am I not giving you the benefit of doubt?

 

[Subdood]

What makes you think he hasn't? Have you been living in a cave the last 2 1/2 years?

Apparently I have been - where is it then - can you point me to it?

Why would he need to take his birth certificate to the Supreme Court? Do you know anything about the vetting process for citizenship?

It was just a suggestion - someone earlier made the "public" disclosure an issue of concern so I suggested it be done in a venue that wouldn't require prying eyes and one that would put the issue to rest once and for all.

Stop right there. He has. It's the CT kooks like Jerome Corsey and Orly Taitz that cannot accept his presidency who are still fighting this long lost battle.

...and Philip Berg, and a host of others.

Those "estimates" are from the CTists and have no basis in reality. Look at these Google results. It's all cranks and kooks.

Fine - I really don't care what the amount is. That it's anything is more to the point.

Maybe you should look at some of those links yourself - it seems for every crank and kook on one side of the issue there are as many on the other side of it too. ("For" cranks) - ("Against" cranks) = 0 Proves nothing. Where is the real document and why won't the president himself produce it?

You mean other than the TWO birth announcements in the Honolulu newspapers and the birth certificate he's already produced? That's more than enough proof for reasonable, rational people.

Forgery - just like the Kenyan certificate was a forgery. ("For" cranks) - ("Against" cranks) = 0 Nothing proven.

If it were me - I'd quell the issue and simply produce it. I wouldn't be relying on some newspaper in Honolulu to be my defacto "truth source." And I would do so out of respect for the office of president - over and above my personal interests, the office of the presidency being far more important an institution to this country than any one mere individual. I would go out of my way to quell all rumors for the sake of the institution and my respect for it and for the people of this country that institution represents (or is supposed to represent).

You don't appear to be familiar with CTists. Have you ever taken a look at the claims of 9/11 truthers or Holocaust denialists? A lot of their "arguments" are similar to those offered by birthers.

LOL - So what? It sounds like my lack of familiarity with the CT-ists is a good thing. What does "CT" stand for anyway?

Are you suggesting that the legitimate process of proving one's citizenship (in the presence of a challenge to such a claim) need only be to equate the argument of such a challenge with "similarities" in arguments put forth by 911 truthers or holocaust denialists? Is that really and truly your standard of "proof?"

 

[4xbypass]

Birthers: "SHOW US YOUR @#$!* AND OTHER PRIVATE DOCUMENTS WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO SEE!" Obama: "No." Birthers: "AH HA! Your lack of willingness to accede to our petty demands PROVES you're an atheist Muslim homosexual communist anti Christ, and we'll sue wasting our time and money until you provide them!" Obama: "umm...be my guest. Enjoy your paranoid delusions."

 

[TheGuide]

You're the one who has come back for more despite storming off in a huff. Obviously you have some kind of need to get the last word.

Dag, 4xbypass, cool your jets. He may not understand that it's possible you're underage.

 

[CaptainNemo1138]

Here's my two cents; does anyone honestly believe for a second that our government, in it's post 9/11 paranoia, would ever let a foreign born citizen run for the Presidency?

No?

Precisely.

 

[katautumn]

Here's my two cents; does anyone honestly believe for a second that our government, in it's post 9/11 paranoia, would ever let a foreign born citizen run for the Presidency?

No?

Precisely.

That's my biggest gripe with the birther issue. I get it - his dad was foreign-born. Big hairy deal. I have other problems with the man beyond his father's country of origin. I don't believe for one second a non-US citizen would ever, ever make it past the vetting process, pre or post-9/11.

 

[HerbieHeadley]

Here's my two cents; does anyone honestly believe for a second that our government, in it's post 9/11 paranoia, would ever let a foreign born citizen run for the Presidency?

No?

Precisely.

Ever hear of Roger Calero, born in Nicaragua, who appeared on the ballot in Delaware, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York and Vermont?

How about Bill Richardson, who is esentially an anchor baby. His father was born in Mexico and his Mexican mother was born in Spain. They both lived in Mexico and Bill's father wasn't poor, being he worked for Citi bank, but he had his wife hop a plane to Pasadena, CA to have the baby in the U.S. and then she came home where Bill spent his childhood in Mexico City until coming to America to start the eighth grade.

Gov. Bill Richardson at the Democratic National Convention in Denver Colorado on Sept. 1st 2008 "Barack Obama is an immigrant...he is one of us..."