Birth pangs

[stephen583]

Putin is a fool and he struggles .... the prophetic scriptures give no recognition of Putin

The prophetic scriptures do not speak of a nuclear war brought on by Putin

That's your opinion. Everybody's got one.

It would take several pages in this thread and dozens of repeated posts to prove why I believe the exact opposite. I won't bore everyone with that.

The abbreviated version is; (1). An End Time dictator figure is characterized in the Book of Daniel, and Putin fits this description exactly to a tee.

(2). Assyria (Syria) and Persia (Iran) are mentioned in End Time Bible prophecy as the enemies of Israel, and that's exactly who Putin's allies are in the Middle East.

(3). Putin is threatening war with the United States and NATO. Both he and his generals know they can not prevail in such a conflict without using nuclear weapons and have publically announced their intent to use them.

(4). The scale of destruction described in the Revelation simply can not be explained by conventional warfare. In all of WWII only 3% of the earth's population perished, that means 97% survived. Compare that to the kind of casualties and ecological damage the Revelation warns about, and conventional warfare alone simply doesn't make any sense.

(5). "and the nations were angerd at God's Wrath".. "God destroys those who destroy the earth", (Revelation 11:18). Self explanatory.. since mankind only possesses one weapon that can destroy the earth. Nuclear weapons.


(6). Why else is the antichrist called the "Abomination of Desolation" ?

 

[Straightshot]

"The scale of destruction described in the Revelation simply can not be explained by conventional warfare"

Here is why [Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 12:12; 13:4]

This is not Putin

Neither is this One [Revelation 6:12-17]

 

[stephen583]

Like I said.. everyone has their own opinion.

 

[keras]

Rather than posting opinions, see what the prophets actually say will happen.
God will send fire upon His enemies, using His creation the sun. Psalms 11:4-6 On the day an Islamic confederation goes to attack Israel, they will be wiped out. Psalms 83:1-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 10:18

Putin is not and cannot be the AC. That man only arises after the One World Govt is established with 10 Presidents, Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12-13. We will know who he is when he takes over from the other 10 leaders.

 

[stephen583]

I completely understand the attraction of these myths and why they appeal to the masses. If all End Time prophecy only relates to Israel and the Middle East, and you don't particularly feel like watching the Apocalypse unfold.. well all you have to do is change the television channel, slip in a DVD movie, or shut the television off.

Frankly, I don't believe any of this nonsense for a second, (2 Timothy 3:4-8, 4:3, 2 Peter 2:1).

The ten illegitimate kingdoms of Revelation 17:12, which have "received no kingdom, but exercise all the authority of kings" (and correspond to the iron and miry clay of Daniel's prophecy), were already historically established in 1947 when the Iron Curtain fell across Eastern Europe.

They were the U.S.S.R, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Romania, Yugoslavia, Albania, East Germany and the Roman Catholic population of Eastern Europe representing the Vatican State, the tenth kingdom,(the miry clay, infirm religion, according to Psalm 40:2).

Putin by his own admission, is working to resurrect the Soviet Union. He is resurrecting the beast that received a deadly wound in 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed, but which is now being healed, (Revelation 13:3).

Trying to "squeeze" all the prophecies of the Revelation, or Matthew 24 into a seven year Tribulation Period (as most Evangelicals do), represents yet another inherent error in Eschatology. The Revelation makes no such explicit claim, and in point of fact, Matthew 24 says these prophesies will encompass a final "generation" instead, (Matthew 24:34).

 

[stephen583]

BEFORE YOU LIST THEM.

There are certain (specific) prophecies in both the Book of Daniel which mention a latter week of "seven years", (The Tribulation Period) and in the Revelation which describe a "three and a half" year period, (The Great Tribulation).. but nowhere in either of these books is it explicitly stated anywhere that everything prophesied in them is contained within either of these two time frames.

Any attempt to "elasticize" the Scripture and make such unfounded assertions, would be to create an obvious "contradiction" with Matthew 24:34.

So if you are going to list all the verses describing a seven year Tribulation Period, or a three and a half year Great Tribulation Period.. Please do so in the correct context.

 

[keras]

So if you are going to list all the verses describing a seven year Tribulation Period, or a three and a half year Great Tribulation Period.. Please do so in the correct context.

I wouldn't bother.
Your context and interpretation is light years away from mine and what the Bible prophets tell us.
The soon to happen end times events will be quite a surprise to you.

 

[stephen583]

Speaking of context, has anyone else noticed these "birth pangs" are happening anyway, irrespective of the supposedly (scholarly ?) opinions of those who maintain they do not "precede" the beginning of the Tribulation Period ?

Where exactly in the Bible does it say these "birth pains" are necessarily tied to the seven year Tribulation period ? It doesn't, does it ?

In fact, Mathew 24:5-12 doesn't say anything about the first three and a half years of a seven year Tribulation Period, does it ? As mentioned earlier in post#585, it does state emphatically these "birth pains" relate to a final generation, doesn't it ?

Again. This is a case of arbitrarily creating a false context.. where none is actually stated in the Scripture. In other words, it is nothing more than a baseless assumption the "End Times" and the Tribulation Period are both somehow synonymous with one another.

 

[stephen583]

MORE HOOFBEATS OF THE THIRD HORSEMAN.

The world's oldest bank, (Banca Monte dei Paschi) of Siena Italy announces Tuesday the elimination of 2,600 jobs, closure of 1/4 of its' branches and a sell off of all its' bad debt after posting a 1.15 billion euro loss from Aug. to Oct. of 2016.

 

[stephen583]

MORE HOOFBEATS OF THE FOURTH HORSEMAN.

The U.S. Navy announced Tuesday the command of the Asian Fleet has been transferred to Naval Command at San Diego, (which includes an additional 100 ships and four carriers) in order to bolster U.S. naval forces in the South China Sea, the Phillipines and Korea.

What this means in civilian speak, is, the United States Navy is consolidating its' command to fight a naval war in the South China Sea. It is the strongest possible warning Washington can send China short of firing a shot across someone's bow

 

[stephen583]

The soon to happen end times events will be quite a surprise to you.

Actually Keras, you look like the one who is going to be caught completely off guard.. not me.

It's way later than you think. You're still going to be waiting for a sign the Tribulation Period has begun... When the Great Tribulation Period begins.

WAKE UP ! The fulfillment of End Time prophecy began over 70 years ago.

 

[Fusion77]

War posturing:

China's military reportedly arrives in Syria to assist Russia.

http://www.alamongordo.com/china-military-arrive-in-syria-to-help-russia/

 

[Fusion77]

Wars and Rumors of wars:

Russia releases publication of its "Satan 2" nuclear missle. It can reportedly wipe out a land mass the size of Texas or even France. It is expected to enter service in 2018.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/25/russ...e-of-a-missile-that-could-wipe-out-texas.html

 

[Fusion77]

Wars and Rumors of wars:

US led coalition has been accused of launching attacks which have resulted in many civilian casualties, in Mosul. Pentagon claims accusations are Russian backed propaganda.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.ibtimes.com/us-accused-bombing-girls-school-mosul-russia-claims-airstrike-killed-60-injured-200-2436706?amp=1

 

[stephen583]

China's military reportedly arrives in Syria to assist Russia.

So now we've got Chinese ground forces in Syria ?

Is it just me, or is this starting to look a lot like WW III ?

 

[stephen583]

Again. This is a case of arbitrarily creating a false context.. where none is actually stated in the Scripture. In other words, it is nothing more than a baseless assumption the "End Times" and the Tribulation Period are both somehow synonymous with one another.

Still waiting for an answer on this one. Whose idea was it to decide Revelation 17:12, or 13:18 only takes place during the Tribulation Period ? The Scripture certainly doesn't say that, does it ? For all anyone knows, these two prophecies (heck, the entire 13th and 17th chapters of the Revelation), may have been fulfilled almost seventy years ago.

Now everyone is waiting for the European Union to fulfill Revelation 17:12.. and Revelation 13:18 isn't going to be fulfilled unless everybody gets their micro-chip implant during the seven year Tribulation Period as well. Vis-à-vis "Tim Le Hay".

Making broad and baseless assumptions about prophecy is exactly how MYTHS like these are created.

 

[keras]

Actually Keras, you look like the one who is going to be caught completely off guard.. not me.

It's way later than you think. You're still going to be waiting for a sign the Tribulation Period has begun... When the Great Tribulation Period begins.

WAKE UP ! The fulfillment of End Time prophecy began over 70 years ago.

Yes, I agreed with your post #588.
The end time prophesies will commence with the Day of the Lord's wrath, a sudden and unexpected blast of fire from the sun, that will literally fulfil all the prophesies about that Day.
This thread is good, as we are certainly experiencing the 'birth pangs' of the coming era. The Great Trib doesn't happen until the last 3.5 years prior to Jesus' Return.

 

[Fusion77]

So now we've got Chinese ground forces in Syria ?

Is it just me, or is this starting to look a lot like WW III ?

Well according to the article, Debka files reports (according to military sources) there's a Chinese aircraft carrier in Syria. It looks like, all it takes is one wrong move and we could be headed into WW3. There's at least a ship with more troops on the way.

 

[Handmaid for Jesus]

So now we've got Chinese ground forces in Syria ?

Is it just me, or is this starting to look a lot like WW III ?

It certainly looks as if the stage is being set.

 

[Fusion77]

Wars and Rumors of wars:

IDF strikes Hamas terror targets in response to rocket attacks.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.brei...-israel-idf-strikes-hamas-terror-targets/amp/