Well I definitely got a consensus answer on this thread. No birth control no matter what Catholics I know tell me.
yep.
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As far as i know and i was thought is that some sins are more grave then others...
I read in the Bible that the worst sin is the one against the body.
I must disgaree that breaking speed limits is like breaking God's Child to come... I must disagree that making our bodies free of God's wise plan is not a joke... It is like saying well you had your choice and now i choose to do something else... wansnt it rebellion that cost adam and eve to sin agaisnt God...
It is not that taking contracetion is the only sin but all will agree that taking God's name in vain is a sin so no need to point it... unlike the contraception...
I can be wrong.
In Christ AFJ.
As far as i know and i was thought is that some sins are more grave then others...
I read in the Bible that the worst sin is the one against the body.
I must disgaree that breaking speed limits is like breaking God's Child to come... I must disagree that making our bodies free of God's wise plan is not a joke... It is like saying well you had your choice and now i choose to do something else... wansnt it rebellion that cost adam and eve to sin agaisnt God...
It is not that taking contracetion is the only sin but all will agree that taking God's name in vain is a sin so no need to point it... unlike the contraception...
I can be wrong.
In Christ AFJ.
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I am saying that whenever the Church or its members obsessively overemphasize sexual sins, they cannot do so without seeming to minimize all the other sins.
If you, or a bishop, concentrates on abortion, or birth control, or homosexuality ten times more than on all the other commandments combined, the net effect is to create the very false impression that other sins don't matter that much.
You are sitting in church in between two young families. One young family has two children and practices birth control. The other young family has five young children and uses NFP.
Family A has elderly parents whom they drive to doctor's visits and help in other ways so that they can remain in their home.
Family B has elderly parents in a nursing home whom they rarely visit because they don't have the time.
(This is NOT to infer that people with large families put elderly relatives in homes without visiting them--this is just an example.)
Well, I would think "neither family is perfect. One practices birth control, but the other neglects those people who gave them unconditional love all their lives and made great sacrifices."
To me they would both be sinning in different ways--there would be room for improvement in both families.
But there's no doubt that in some Catholic cultures the family who neglected their elderly relatives would be put on a pedestal while the family who lovingly cared for their elderly relatives while practicing birth control would be singled out for condemnation...
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The point is if you commit grave sin with full knowledge and consent- you have killed the life of grace living in you and you need to give up the sin, (repent) and reconcile yourself back to God (go to Confession) before you can take Communion again.
You should not take communion if you are living in a state mortal sin. period. becuase then you take it in judgement of your sins.
But Fantine says you can still take Communion cuz the Church is for sinners.
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Well what Fantine is saying is not absurde... see no one ever explained to me till now what Jesus meant take this is my body for forgivness of your sins...
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oh and another neat thing this decon said, if you take Communion while in sin- it is the same as taking ABC in your marriage.
The graces do not flow. I never considered that contrast before. I think it's brilliant.
The graces do not flow. I never considered that contrast before. I think it's brilliant.
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If your sins are mortal-- YOU HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
and give up the sin.
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The thing is that I KNOW THAT!!! I do that i learned that i do not debate on that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 it is very hurting you know! that no one ever ever offered to explain! they always tell what you just said!!! I do know that! i really do!!!If your sins are mortal-- YOU HAVE TO GO TO CONFESSION FIRST!!!!!!!!!!!!
and give up the sin.
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As a member of a Jesuit parish, I have never heard mortal sin mentioned and nobody is ex-communicated.. infact we have a very large congregation.....
I don't think it is encouraging it is loving people anyway and accepting the realities of life, which men at The Vatican often do not face...
You seem to talk about sin as though it is always somebody elses problem, not yours.... all sin...
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what the heck? Your Jesuit parish needs to be repoted to your bishop ASAP.
and You need to get a copy of the CCC ... fast. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm#III
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but Fantine did not explain it correctly.
Jesus said that His Body and Blood were given for forgiveness of our sins. He said to take it and eat it becuase it gives us His own life.
But like St Paul says, if we take it not worthy, we take it in judgment of ours sin, not in forgiveness of them.
You can not be in sin and be in rebellion against God's commandments and think, hey Jesus forgives, it's cool I can take Communion anyway.
You have to turn from sin and live for Christ.
Like St John says, children of the light do not walk in darkness.
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You still haven't addressed why birth control is singled out for special condemnation....
Part of committing mortal sin is full knowledge and consent of the will.
"Well, we talk about it 24 hours a day! We single it out above all other sins! We stalk politicians who don't agree with us! How can people not have "full knowledge?'" you say.
But if the knowledge is transmitted in this single-issue, sex-obsessed, OCD way then the "teachers" are distrusted....
Yes, the theology of the body is a good document--so why does it need all the armchair quarterbacks who, in their extremism, turn people off about it?
Part of committing mortal sin is full knowledge and consent of the will.
"Well, we talk about it 24 hours a day! We single it out above all other sins! We stalk politicians who don't agree with us! How can people not have "full knowledge?'" you say.
But if the knowledge is transmitted in this single-issue, sex-obsessed, OCD way then the "teachers" are distrusted....
Yes, the theology of the body is a good document--so why does it need all the armchair quarterbacks who, in their extremism, turn people off about it?
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I have not singled it out... it is just as evil and sinful as any other mortal sin.
You have yet again Fantine created a diversion with another false argument.
The thread is titled Birth Control, not all those other sins.
we are discussing the immorality of ABC's not any other sin.
the reality is, ABC are immoral in the Church and if you take them, you may not receive Communion but many Catholics ignore that and take communion anyway- wow what they do to their soul!
But you seem to not care what they do to their soul.
You seem to care about us making them feel accepted and welcomed in the Church... wow... just wow.
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