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not all bc does any or all of those things.On the other side of the coin, here are some benifits from not using contraception:
1.) My wife is not forced to take a pill that will increase her chances of heart problem, cause decreased libido, and possibly murder our children in the womb, should it not prevent conception.
3.) She will not make the mistake of putting off children so long that expensive infertility treatment will be required.
MANY who use bc fall into this catagory as well.4.) Unplanned pregnancies are expected and considered a blessing, not a curse that will leave us scrambling in order to deal with a momentary disruption to a two income lifestyle.
do you have solid facts to back up these opinions?The only reason that we are not facing the problems that many European nations are facing is our high rates of immigration, higher birthrates among certain hispanic and rural populations, and a substandard social welfare system for a first world country.
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you did???Its a few pages back now, but I did show it. This is something found in both Scripture and Tradition. It has always been a part of Christian morality, and it has only been in recent times that some sects have chosen to change their minds on the subject. Furthermore, I have not been provided with any information that shows that this change was made for any reason other than individual convenience and selfish desire.
or perhaps the wife wants to be more directly involved.I'm not saying that people with kids can't minister to the community. Just that there may be unique and different oportunities for childfree couples.
i have a great problem with the idea of celibacy...who says I can't support them? Are you dictating to me that I am not able to provide for my children? Yes, I may have a dozen kids and I even have a greater chance of having another set of twins, but each one of our children will be a welcome even if we were not wanting anymore. My husband and I have figured out that we get pregnant every 2 years in January(except for my middle daughter who was concieved two weeks after I had a miscarriage and we consider her a true miracle) so now we know to avoid any contact with each other during that period. There are ways around it and celibacy does work
i'de say,So. No response on whether I'm sinning by taking birth control for hormonal reasons. Considering that even on the pill I still have a horrible time every month, I'm pretty sure I'm not going to ever go off it even when I marry, except for periods where my husband and I are trying to conceive.
What would you who are anti-BC have me do? Suffer every month, taking off work and loading up on ibuprofin to take the edge off the pain? They let me go an hour early today at work because I forgot my bottle of ibuprofin and kept having to stop and grimace while having a bad cramp, and if not for the pill it'd have been so bad I wouldn't have made it into work at all. My periods are seriously that bad. I don't know how many of you other women have dealt with this, but it's really awful and the birth control pill has been a huge blessing for me.
you are still assuming that those who use bc do so to avoid responsibility and expenses.People who devote their life to full time Christian service are selfish but people who pop horse urine pills, stick pieces of plastic in their uterus to abort their children on a monthly basis or have themselves surgically sterilized like a common house pet so they don't have to face the responsibility and expense of bringing a precious soul into the world aren't?What a backwards view.
and a very good one indeed.at some point it really does need to be pointed out: every family is different and wants different things, so why try and fit us all into the same box? You don't want to have a bunch of kids? Use BC. You want kids every where? Have fun. Seriously there are no hard and fast rules that covers every family.
tulc(just a thought)
basic biology.Isn't it funny how people always act like you are going to have a billion kids if you don't use BC?
I know people who didn't use it and never had more than 4 or 5. My aunt and uncle never used it and all they have is one set of twins.
Most women, it seems, tend to naturally space them out by at least 2 years, if they breast feed. And that rate drops as they get older, esp. past 35.
the command to multiply was given after the flood because there were hardly any people.I explained it when I explained the purposes of sex. Scriptural proofs are found in commandments to multiply, the extoling of the virtue and blessing that children are, and the punishment exacted on Onan.
The proof in Tradition is found in the writings of the Church Fathers (of whom none spoke in favor contraception) and the Church canons. Even the Jews considered the use of contraception to be sinfull. To this day Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Jews teach against BC.
"tradition" "tradition"As in the last half century, starting with the Anglicans, then spreading among much of the rest of Protestantism. Though the Traditional morality on contraception is making a small resurgence among the more orthodox Mainliners and with the Full Quiver movement among the Evangelicals.
you contridict yourself here.Indeed, a couple must decide what to do for themselves. They must choose to do right or to do wrong. Morality is not a question of choice.
incorrect.What you don't get is this a bunch of bull that is baseless in its assertion.
1.) Most women do not ovulate when they breast feed.
right.2.) On average, sex during a health woman's fertile period will only result in pregnancy 20% of the time.
this will not occur in many woman who have been pregnant (not using bc) all their child bearing years until well into their fourties or beyond.3.) As a woman ages, the likelyhood drops, and the chance of miscarraige increases.
lolFurthermore, it is not exceedingly hard to raise a large family. You aren't going to have a $50k car, a plasma tv and cellphones for all the kids, but they aren't going to starve and go naked either.
No no and no bc is not the answer. You don't get pregnant everytime, I've been married six years and only have four kids and two of them are twins.
oh MANCite?
Raising 8 children isn't terribly more expensive than raising 2. Or so I have been told. Many of the costs stemming from children are non-reoccuring, if well mannaged.
i personally always thought it was sad and contridictory when couples left for the mission field and left their kids at home.Sorry, it's just that when I grew up reading about missionaries like the Hudsons and such, I just considered them selfish for dragging their kids all over the world just to end up getting themselves killed.
where is it mentioned in a moral law??
error.Quote:
Is it mentioned at all in the bible?
Yes.
in your own opinion.Quote:
You were saying?
Contraception is immoral.
absolutly.You've shown where you confuse bibilcal blessings and history with actual commands, but still nothing valid. The subject of blessings such as offspring, livestock, land, and health have already been discussed at length in this thread. So has the context of the story of Onan. If that's all you've got, well we can officially declare that there is no biblical command against contraception (but then we all kinda knew that, didn't we?).
i know that this will probably raise a row,I really think a lot of it comes down (perhaps unconciously) to "keep the women pregnant, nursing, at home with the kids". That way they won't get "uppity". I know most modern men wouldn't say this so boldly, but a lot kind of believe it underneath.
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