birth control issues - engaged couple

[Fireman's Wife]

For me, using NFP with abstinance would be morally wrong. I don't believe in using abstinence as a form of birth control. I personally do not believe that is Biblical. (And to the person who said it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I believe sex in someone else's house is a different kind of abstinence, and is not to be done in someone else's house out of respect. I know that comment was directed at me, as I was the one who had made those comments.) For me, using hormonal birth control is my best option. I am not convicted about it, and do not view it as an abortifacient.

Well, You are the poster several post back that quoted your one liner out of the bible that in fact supports abstinence and then you actually tried to say that it did not mean exactly what it said. Further, unfortunately, we can stick our head in the sand and discredit what the pharmacuetical companies themselves say about their own product (that HBC is abortifacient) but that is only being untrue to ourselves.

To the person talking about selfishness; I'll be the first to admit I'm selfish. Children do not fit into my life in any way, shape or form right now. And I believe that is God's plan for my life at this point. And I also believe that God wants me to use birth control. Yes, it's probably selfish, but I'd rather be selfish now than be a selfish parent. I don't want children unless I'm able to stay at home with them--so tell me just how selfish I am by waiting until it's affordable for me to be a SAHM.

I was not the one who posted that comment on this thread but you are the one who is calling yourself selfish in the above post. Ponder that awhile.

I've read several statements about how immoral and sinful (not to mention selfish) people who use hormonal birth control are. I don't think those comments are fair, and I think they are very presumptuous, hurtful, and downright rude. If God convicts someone about birth control, then for them it is a sin. I am not convicted about it, therefore (for me) it is not a sin. And I don't think any one of you has any business calling any of us who use birth control sinful or immoral.

You have not read one post calling anyone evil or immoral. For the fourth and hopefully the last time, please stop saying that. It is untrue!

Firmeman's Wife

 

[The Fireman]

For me, using NFP with abstinance would be morally wrong. I don't believe in using abstinence as a form of birth control. I personally do not believe that is Biblical. (And to the person who said it wasn't directed at anyone in particular, I believe sex in someone else's house is a different kind of abstinence, and is not to be done in someone else's house out of respect. I know that comment was directed at me, as I was the one who had made those comments.) For me, using hormonal birth control is my best option. I am not convicted about it, and do not view it as an abortifacient

This isn't even a good try in explaining your point. Now why don't you explain to me where hormonal birth control is biblical? If you are not having sex every day all day then I guess you are abstaining. How is this not biblical? Abstaining is biblical. It doesn's suprise me that you would refute it though, you are the same person who refutes proven and accepted scientific fact published by the producers of hormonal birth control that HBC is an abortifacient.

How many types of abstinence are there? I see so many holes in your logic that it is almost silly responding. I'm so silly.

Sex without consequences. What a biblical perspective! 21 years old and so wise.



The Fireman

 

[msjones21]

Sex without consequences. What a biblical perspective! 21 years old and so wise.

Just to jump in here, I don't think that was a very fair thing to say. Attack the points, not the person and certainly don't attack them for their age or what you consider their level of wisdom.

 

[msjones21]

I should also add, you're not playing fair. You're doing the whole tagteam judgement game with your wife. Granted, I give your wife kudos for being more kind in her approach than you have been. So far all I've seen are condescending remarks against people's character, not debating against their points. Just an observation.

 

[The Fireman]

I should also add, you're not playing fair. You're doing the whole tagteam judgement game with your wife. Granted, I give your wife kudos for being more kind in her approach than you have been. So far all I've seen are condescending remarks against people's character, not debating against their points. Just an observation.

No points debated? I think points were debated, ones she brought up!

Character attacks, yes. My bad. Doing what she does doesn't make it right. I have fallen.

Tag your it!

The Fireman

 

[msjones21]

The judgment thing does not bother me coming from you or the other poster.

Instead of debating Cammie's points you directly attacked not only her integrity, but her age and wisdom simply because her beliefs on birth control do not mimmick your own. Now, if you feel that is appropriate and you feel no conviction for being so condescending then perhaps you need to take your apathy up with God. I may not agree with certain opinions on birth control and I personally will use NFP, but I will not outwardly condemn others who do not share my beliefs.

Take notes.

 

[The Fireman]

Instead of debating Cammie's points you directly attacked not only her integrity, but her age and wisdom simply because her beliefs on birth control do not mimmick your own. Now, if you feel that is appropriate and you feel no conviction for being so condescending then perhaps you need to take your apathy up with God. I may not agree with certain opinions on birth control and I personally will use NFP, but I will not outwardly condemn others who do not share my beliefs.

Take notes.

I don't condemn other people, I haven't. Check out her posts!

tag your it

Take notes

The Fireman

 

[msjones21]

So you're saying you didn't attack her based on her age and wisdom? For someone in their 30's who is married and has children I'd think you'd be a tad more mature in your approach. Seems to me that you're quick to judge others for their age and yet you fail to see you're what? 10 years older and acting like an elementary school-aged child. Nanana boo boo I'm better than youuuuu. Come on.

 

[The Fireman]

I should also add, you're not playing fair. You're doing the whole tagteam judgement game with your wife. Granted, I give your wife kudos for being more kind in her approach than you have been. So far all I've seen are condescending remarks against people's character, not debating against their points. Just an observation.

Tagteam judgment game?

Show me! Go to her posts!

The Fireman

 

[The Fireman]

So you're saying you didn't attack her based on her age and wisdom? For someone in their 30's who is married and has children I'd think you'd be a tad more mature in your approach. Seems to me that you're quick to judge others for their age and yet you fail to see you're what? 10 years older and acting like an elementary school-aged child. Nanana boo boo I'm better than youuuuu. Come on.

Alright, its over. Let's get back to the topic.

The Fireman

 

[msjones21]

Show you what? Where she posted about how she felt birth control was moral? How about you go back and look at your posts? Now, I'm walking away, I'm reporting this thread, and hopefully it will be closed. I think Joyful got enough good ideas about NFP, now this post has just turned ugly and judgemental. God bless.

 

[JeffreyLloyd]

21 years old and so wise.


The Fireman

That was out of line. You need to apologize!

- JeffreyLloyd

 

[msjones21]

Jeffrey, would it be possible to close this thread considering the fact Joyful got the info she needed?

 

[The Fireman]

msjones and Cammie
I apoligize.


The Fireman

 

[msjones21]

I'm sorry too. This post has just gotten way out of hand.

 

[Kristine]

I do think hormonal birth control is sinful because it alters your body. Why put your body through that just so you can avoid pregnancy?

I know this has been mentioned several times, but what makes hormonal birth control sinful is not that it alters your body (although it certainly does that) but rather that it may potentially kill an unborn human being.



This essay I've written on the topic includes quotes from medical sites as well as many other 'neutral' sources so that no one on either side of the moral debate on abortion can claim bias. I hope you find it educational: http://www.ottawayouthforlife.org/oyl/Resources/pill.html (unfortunately I just noticed a few of our links including the ones that link to pro-choice and other other medical sites is temporarily down. If you want more info, please let me know, I'll post it here)

 

[Lizzi4Christ]

This thread is getting too heated and boderline flaming.

It's closed until further notice.