Billboard: “I Had an Abortion and I’m Not Apologizing”

[bèlla]

Bitterness can abort a person from love, not only from human life.

You're correct. Hard heartedness is often the result of bitterness.

I worked on an organic production farm for one season to learn how to garden. The experience opened up the scriptures in a new way. I recall walking through a dirt path and feeling the ground beneath my feet. It was hard as stone. The soil was so compacted it would take much force to break it up. My mind immediately went to the Word.

Another thing I have considered is I am concerned that a female could grow all the way from childhood to being an adult and not have the nurturing instinct to care for her unborn.

I think we're seeing a lack of nurturing in society. I have noticed greater coarseness in women than ever before. Love is the solution. It is a healing balm.

I used to talk to someone who walked a dark path. He was raised Roman Catholic. I don't know what happened. But I labored for him in prayer. One evening during a phone call he became upset. He blurted out that he didn't believe in God or Christ and fell silent. I spoke softly and reminded him that I have never forced him to believe as I do and never would. It must come from within and be a choice he makes on his own. The mood changed and I heard him exhale.

He used to tell me that I tortured him. It wasn't me. It was the prayers. ;-)

And ones are so making a show of refusing to let men abuse them, anymore, yet they can give in to the abuse of ones pressuring them to kill their own unborn. Why try to be acceptable to people who do not know how to love you?

Rejection is the most common malady. It is usually the thing that sparks other problems. Those who escape their abusers often find the empowerment slogans very comforting. But they're usually taken to excess and don't address her pain and brokenness.

Well, it can be that a woman does not know anyone she is satisfied cares about her. Also, even if she does know truly Christian people, these people have standards which she might not accept.

I was pregnant at 19. There were some who wanted me to abort but I wouldn't. I reminded them that she didn't ask to be here and it was my responsibility to care for her. I told them I'd forsake all for her. Even them. It established a boundary that has never been crossed since that discussion. I am a better person because of my daughter.

Plus, there can, of course, be the ones who claim to be Christians but who are self-righteous . . . not truly caring.

Judging by the things I see on this site. I couldn't fathom speaking to many Christians if I was in need. There's an inability to listen that I find troubling. And many rush in with answers without asking questions. Oftentimes the responses are pointed and I think that's dangerous. We must always speak in love and seek clarity before making assumptions.

And, though I might not have exhibited this, myself, thank you for saying we need to not have self-righteous stuff in us Because I still need to do better . . . including so God pleases to trust me to share with and help ones who have been violated by others.

You're welcome. And thank you for our discourse. You have a gentleness that is very refreshing. Don't lose it. It isn't commonplace.

 

[Sparagmos]

Presumptuous? No. Biblical. Inasmuch as God has a very different view of your abortion than you do, it stands to reason that you and He don't get along very well. As the prophet Isaiah said,

Isaiah 59:2-3
2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear.

What fellowship with God you think you enjoy with Him is, I suspect, not the fellowship described in Scripture.

You don’t speak for god or know god’s view on my abortion. I am very happy with my relationship with god. Jesus did not speak of abortion, which was practiced in his time.

I think we can all agree we’d like to prevent abortion, and the best way to do that is provide access to birth control and sex education. The ruthenium method combined with condoms is incredibly effective, yet women are t taught how to know when they are ovulating and men still complain about wearing condoms.

 

[Sparagmos]

How so? People know that pregnancy is a result of sex. How is telling them that going to lower the amount of abortions?

Education on birth control. Ovulation. No means no.

 

[Sparagmos]

A lot of abortions occur after contraception went wrong.

Often due to a lack of education. Double protection is close to 100% effective. If you are on the pill, you neeed to know exactly how it works and what happens if you skip a day. Women should know when they are ovulating. Etc.

 

[aiki]

You don’t speak for god or know god’s view on my abortion.

No, I certainly don't speak for God (at least, not in an ex cathedra way). But I do know God's view of killing unborn children. I shared with you already what the Bible, God's word, has to say on the matter.

I am very happy with my relationship with god.

That's kinda' sad, actually. He has so much more for you than I suspect you know, but refusing to acknowledge your sin to Him will keep you from ever experiencing it.

Jesus did not speak of abortion, which was practiced in his time.

Jesus did not speak specifically of offering illicit drugs to children but I think we could make a good argument for Jesus condemning such a thing from Scripture. The same goes for abortion.

I think we can all agree we’d like to prevent abortion

Yes. Killing children in the womb we should prevent at all costs!

and the best way to do that is provide access to birth control and sex education.

No, the best way is to teach people that babies are not a curse but a great - and vital - blessing from God. We need also to make premarital sex generally condemned in the culture as it once was. Facilitating sexual promiscuity is not the way to curb abortion.

The ruthenium method combined with condoms is incredibly effective, yet women are t taught how to know when they are ovulating and men still complain about wearing condoms.

Well, it's all right, though: there's always an abortionist waiting to tear the unwanted baby to bits and sell its parts for cash.

 

[Zoii]

I acknowledge the sentiment regarding a cavalier approach to abortion. I do not support it being the method of choice for contraception.

That said nor do I accept the hypocrisy of some of the Christians on this site and in this thread.

• Abortion is condemned yet the Catholic church and some other conservative denominations, refuse to allow contraception; including the use of condoms which is vital not just for contraception but for the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases.
• We condemn women for having an abortion, but it is incredulous how many times I have seen insults directed at single women who need social welfare. We want them to keep the child, then treat them with insults when they need a helping hand.
• We decry the sanctity of life, then defend the horrible verses commanding the genocide of entire villages including the murder of women and children (born and unborn). I've never accepted that those sections of the bible should be lauded and always found it abominable despite everyone's efforts to tell me its all quite OK.
• We severely criticise a woman having an abortion regardless of the reason - even when she needs it in defence of her own life. For example cervical cancer. Yet how many here talk about owning a gun and using it in defence of their own life.
• We do not want our daughters pregnant, yet how many Christians endorse the guilt laid upon those who become pregnant. The same Chrisians restrict the necessary conversations concerning sex within education systems and certainly don't indulge in the conversation within the home.
• Lastly, some Christians make sweeping statements and cast vitriol upon those who seek out abortion - That's all very well for the majority of us that live in developed nations and are comfortable in our lounge chairs. Its easy to feel safe from that position. But if you were pregnant and unwed in countries like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, then you will be executed (along with the foetus) by the government or your own family. Is it a wonder that if you value your life, that abortion becomes the only option.

Finally - if abortion is opted for any reason, while some young women may be cavalier about it, most won't be. I offer them my heart. I'm not inclined to throw stones.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

From 'safe legal and rare' to 'shout your abortion' and 'I'm not apologising for my abortion.'

I wonder where this emphasis on quality of life, rather than the pursuit of life itself will lead these types of people. I won't be surprised when they are arguing for post birth abortions in the near future.

 

[SolomonVII]

Broken people can often be reduced to the placards supporting the inherent nihilism of the abortion movement of postmodernist feminism.
Postmodernist culture is victim culture, and the billboards become the crosses displayed the broken bodies of those who choose death.

The best trend among Christians and pro-life in response is to place rescue centres in the vicinity of abortion centres, to support the courage needed for people to procreate children inwhatever stressful circumstances they find themselves in. Life being the better option is the appeal to the better angels that reach out to everybody from within our very nature.

And of course, many of the most joyful of pro life advocates are people who have had abortions and are saved. It is never too late to sing of the glory of life in the womb and beyond.

 

[com7fy8]

He used to tell me that I tortured him. It wasn't me. It was the prayers. ;-)

Rejection is the most common malady. It is usually the thing that sparks other problems. Those who escape their abusers often find the empowerment slogans very comforting. But they're usually taken to excess and don't address her pain and brokenness.

I see the possibility that a victim can jump too far to trying to control, and this can bring the person to become abusive . . . in which case, the abusive people have more or less reproduced themselves in the victim.

But you have developed into being neither victim nor abuser. Jesus makes us able to be gentle and humble and strong >

"And who is he who will harm you if you become followers of what is good?" (1 Peter 3:13)

many rush in with answers without asking questions.

"He who answers a matter before he hears it,
.It is folly and shame to him." (Proverb 18:13)

You're welcome. And thank you for our discourse. You have a gentleness that is very refreshing. Don't lose it. It isn't commonplace.

God bless you, too, LaBèlla

 

[Blade]

Jesus did not will not is not judging nor condemning. I do not. HAHA how is our sin some how better. Try to remember this JUDGE freed you..took your place.. maybe show the same MERCY GRACE FORGIVNESS He show'd you. He died already.

Its clear the only reason one posts says this kind of thing is they do in fact feel guilty. So...Show them the way OUT. Give them hope. They don't sin against you...

 

[DarkSoul999]

They don't think they are depraved though but advancing. And would call you judgemental. So the question becomes what can we do to show them another way and not trigger those emotions ? So what's your plan ?

Liberals are subhuman trash. They only understand violence. Their entire language is violence.

You can't talk to them like they have souls. That is like trying to convince a vampire that sucking blood is wrong...and these freaks are worse than vampires.

The good news is that they are selectively removing themselves from the gene pool so hopefully better variants of the species will quickly out-breed them.

 

[Dave G.]

The babies after the terrible act of violence committed on them we can be sure are in heaven. I'd like to guess that there the Lord has them and has others to care for them into maturity.

The would be moms who aborted those babies over time often come to wonder about the child, the actions she took on that life. How much Grace could be poured out, how much mercy could we have that we might be part of an instrument used by the Lord to have them come to Christ in this and one day be reunited with that child in heaven ?

So we fail to stop an abortion and I don't say that lightly but with a heavy heart but maybe we can be used to save a soul. That won't and can not happen out of bitterness but love. Abide In Christ and do it to His Glory. I know one woman who has named her child who is in heaven and awaits that reunion. Can we find others ? There is always hope in Jesus.

 

[Hieronymus]

Instead you start a conspiracy about Planned Parenthood making up the quotes?

Don't pretend it's a far fetched suspicion now.
It's how advertisement works.
You get a model and you put a text with it.
Don't shame people who only state the probable.
That's

Shameful.

 

[Hieronymus]

Hmmm. I've adopted 4 kids. How many for you?

So you think adoption is the solution?
How about people who don't want kids should prevent getting pregnant?

 

[Hieronymus]

Amen! The little one God produces from an instance of rape should be seen as a divine gift to the mother, a beautiful, precious blessing God has brought from a terribly painful and evil circumstance.

...rrright....
Actually, not right, i.m.h.o.
It's great when things turn out like that (and the child did not inherit the sociopathy from the rapist) of course.
But let's be reasonable too.
There are important factors here to consider.
How old is the girl?
Is she in a situation where it is possible to have, keep and raise a kid?
Does she already have a husband she planned to start a family with?
Does she want to be a mother at all?
Is she capable?

But there's more to consider, which is often not discussed in topics about abortion.
There's a difference between abortion within the 1st trimester and an abortion later on.
Besides that, i think the problem of today is that people consider abortion to be just another birth control option.
Everybody should be against abortion.
It should only be considered in emergencies.
I don't think it's right to let a rapist determine that a woman or a girl becomes a mother of a child, that also will never have a father in its life.
What if the life of the mother is at risk when going through with the pregnancy?
There are also cases where the lives of both child and mother are at risk when going through with the pregnancy.

Some "technical" points to think about:
When does the foetus become a person?
Of course, when the egg cell is fertilized it is already a being of the human kind.
But it takes a few months before it has a functioning brain and being conscious.

To be clear, i'm against abortion.
But it's not always as black and white as many opponents seem to think.

 

[bèlla]

Liberals are subhuman trash. They only understand violence. Their entire language is violence.

I have noticed a definitive tone when people champion an idea. It's very one-sided and listening rarely happens. I mentioned this on another thread and I'll paste it here because I think it applies.

The problem with all of this is we no longer live in a society where thought and reason are prevalent. If you express sympathy for someone’s suffering it’s not enough. Moving to empathy rarely satisfies.

It is not enough to recognize an injustice if you fail to see it from their perspective and won’t take action. Your response must meet their approval and include continued arguments and opposition to anyone who believes differently.

When empathy breeds slavery there can be no agreement. While I recognize there are grievous wrongs in the world, I won’t become a doppelganger or automaton to appease the injured.

I've witnessed it on this site and others. I don't know what breeds that mindset. But disagreement has become racism or another negative label in its place. There's a prevailing belief that if the listener isn't passionate about your cause in the identical way something is amiss.

I don't agree with that stance and I've wearied of social justice and its spokespeople. There's too much strife and contention in their speech. And I'm starting not to care in all truth. I'm tired of the yelling, name calling, and theatrics.

 

[bèlla]

Amen! The little one God produces from an instance of rape should be seen as a divine gift to the mother, a beautiful, precious blessing God has brought from a terribly painful and evil circumstance.

I've known two victims of rape. One was gang-raped by a football team in her teens. She and her girlfriend were their targets. She survived the event but the other took her life afterward. It destroyed her mind. She has never been with a man. And I understand why. That's a lot to live with.

The other was raped by a man in her teens. She told me his face contorted into something horrible. She saw evil staring back at her and was terrified by what she saw. This led her down a path spiritually to prevent herself from ever being a victim again.

I don't know how to respond to your comment. I have never been raped but I was violated spiritually and wouldn't wish either on a soul. I'm not judging you at all. Nor am I surprised by what you said.

That's probably the worst part. Your words don't shock me at all. The Christian reputation proceeds you.

 

[aiki]

I've known two victims of rape. One was gang-raped by a football team in her teens. She and her girlfriend were their targets. She survived the event but the other took her life afterward. It destroyed her mind. She has never been with a man. And I understand why. That's a lot to live with.

The other was raped by a man in her teens. She told me his face contorted into something horrible. She saw evil staring back at her and was terrified by what she saw. This led her down a path spiritually to prevent herself from ever being a victim again.

I don't know how to respond to your comment. I have never been raped but I was violated spiritually and wouldn't wish either on a soul. I'm not judging you at all. Nor am I surprised by what you said.

That's probably the worst part. Your words don't shock me at all. The Christian reputation proceeds you.

I'm not sure what your point is. Is it a lie when the Bible says that God opens and shuts the womb? Is it a lie when the Bible says that children are a blessing from God? Does the fact that a child is conceived by rape undo these truths? If so, how, exactly? How does rape make the truths of Scripture into lies?

I get that rape is incredibly destructive to a woman (and to men who are raped, too). I understand that it wreaks havoc with a woman's mind and heart. But this does not mean that the child God has given life to and intends should be the one good thing to come out of the horror of rape should be murdered. That kind of logic would permit the ten-year-old son of a convicted serial killer to be killed because of the evil his father has committed. We see instantly the immorality of this yet do not balk at it when it is applied to an unborn child. I believe this is just a reflection of how low society's view of human life has become in modern North American and how far from God's view those societies have strayed in their view of children.

 

[bèlla]

I'm not sure what your point is.

I know you aren't. I knew it when I wrote it.

Is it a lie when the Bible says that God opens and shuts the womb? Is it a lie when the Bible says that children are a blessing from God? Does the fact that a child is conceived by rape undo these truths? If so, how, exactly? How does rape make the truths of Scripture into lies?

The bible is filled with stories about imperfect men and women who often made bad decisions or didn't handle life in the best way.

I get that rape is incredibly destructive to a woman (and to men who are raped, too). I understand that it wreaks havoc with a woman's mind and heart. But this does not mean that the child God has given life to and intends should be the one good thing to come out of the horror of rape should be murdered.

Your stance leaves no room for grace or empathy. You can't see the other person. All you see is your point of view. And when it's all said and done. You won't win anyone to Christ. You won't show them how they can move beyond what has happened. You'll sow another seed of judgment against the faith.

Christ ministered to people. Where is He in what you said? I don't see Him and I'm certain if you posted your words on Twitter, others would agree. And they'd calling for your head instead of praising your empathy.

You are welcome to your point of view. But be mindful of its consequences. It may cost you more than you expect.

 

[aiki]

I know you aren't. I knew it when I wrote it.

Do you have a point?

The bible is filled with stories about imperfect men and women who often made bad decisions or didn't handle life in the best way.

What does this have to do with what I pointed out to you? God opens and shuts the womb. About this the Bible is very clear. (Genesis 29:31; Genesis 30:2; 1 Samuel 1:5; Psalms 113:9; Isaiah 44:2; Isaiah 66:9; Jeremiah 1:5, etc.) And God who opens the womb and gives new life intends for it to be a blessing, not a curse (Psalms 127:3-5) Does rape make these things lies?

Your stance leaves no room for grace or empathy. You can't see the other person. All you see is your point of view.

You have no idea what my "stance" leaves room for; you have no idea whether or not I can "see the other person"; you have no idea what all I can or cannot see. In fact, these statements of yours here demonstrate that what you want to think is true of me is entirely true of you. You are the one who has put me in your own box of negative assumptions, making blanket criticisms of somebody about whom you know next to nothing. In doing so, you demonstrate your own lack of grace - and considerable "blindness" to a differing perspective, too.

And when it's all said and done. You won't win anyone to Christ. You won't show them how they can move beyond what has happened. You'll sow another seed of judgment against the faith.

Well, you're welcome to imagine what you like. But imagining is all, really, that it is.

Christ ministered to people. Where is He in what you said?

Are babies not people? Does God not care for the defenseless babies that have been slaughtered by the millions by their mothers? He most certainly does! And so do I.

I don't see Him and I'm certain if you posted your words on Twitter, others would agree.

My words don't have to pass your particular standard, LaBella, they have to pass God's. And my words represent His truth very well. That you don't "see" Him in my words says more about you than it does about how well my words represent Christ.

You are welcome to your point of view. But be mindful of its consequences. It may cost you more than you expect.

Yes, I am welcome to my point of view.

I would urge to consider your own words here. From what I can tell from what you've just written to me, you're quicker to offer these words of warning to me than to take them to heart yourself.