Bill Cosby

[AvilaSurfer]

What exactly is the endgame here then if Cosby can't be tried for any of this? Whip up a mob to ruin his reputation?

Headlines. Website hits.

 

[bhsmte]

Headlines. Website hits.

How do the accusers benefit from that?

 

[Michael]

What exactly is the endgame here then if Cosby can't be tried for any of this? Whip up a mob to ruin his reputation?

I get the feeling from the interviews I've seen that it's motivated by a desire for 'closure'. The "hard to dismiss" part is the similarities of their claims, typically involving pills.

 

[JustMeSee]

Generally good people sometimes do very bad things.

Generally bad people sometimes do very good things.

That is why I hesitate to call people evil or saints.

 

[pgp_protector]

How do the accusers benefit from that?

Some can sell their story

 

[SuperCloud]

I get the feeling from the interviews I've seen that it's motivated by a desire for 'closure'. The "hard to dismiss" part is the similarities of their claims, typically involving pills.

When police carry out investigations why don't they provide all the details to the public? Or when interviewing persons why don't they provide all info on evidence and testimony they have received thus far?

You are aware police investigators are trained not to believe anyone, including those making accusations?

You for instance, if news reporting said 1 man, then a 2nd man came forward to accusing you of slipping drugs in their drinks and then you raped them, exactly how hard do you think it is for me to repeat a "similar story" to news reporters accusing you of the same thing? Not to hard, you don't need to be a rocket scientist.

That said... I tend to think Cosby is guilty of at least one, if not more women. At least that's what I suspect. I don't know it for certain. I still do not believe the story of the woman who claims he raped and then years latter after she lands a gig in Detroit, calls him up to let him know, then years after that contacts him through her sister for money for hospital bills or whatever as she lays in the hosptial. I'm from the streets. Women (not merely men) run "game" and hustles on men all the time. Actually, some of them work with men. Meaning, some men put them up on the hustle to con, black mail, or otherwise jack a man.

If Cosby was married, while doing all this (I have not looked into it to find out), then he's morally guilty anyways. So, he does not have to be criminally guilty. I never listened to any of his lectures to black men anyways. I always thought most of that lecturing was stupid. And if some, or all of these white women are lying on him, then I guess he's gotten a good dose of a reality check.

But like I said... men cheat on their wives. Even the ones condemning Cosby. And if Cosby was condemning men cheating on their wives he was probably cheating on his too.

 

[SuperCloud]

Generally good people sometimes do very bad things.

Generally bad people sometimes do very good things.

That is why I hesitate to call people evil or saints.

I think there are evil people (e.g., serial killers, including that dude the Ice Man that was put to death), but I think very few people are evil and few people are saints. Most people are simply corrupted and liars as when it benefits them. Within that large category of most people some are worse that others and some tends towards being pretty good.

But yeah... even the rare saints have flaws and even the rare evil people have some good aspects to them.

But it is wise not to assume every prominent or simply respected person in a society is an innocent little lamb.

Though, I have no idea why a male celebrity would feel the need to drug or rape a woman. I just have to shake my head at that one. If you really "just have to have her" then just offer her a respectable sum of money. Pay what you're willing to pay be it $10,000 or $1,000,000. Yeah, a lot of men will look down on that as "being a trick." But that's the same stupid ego that gets so many men in trouble. Same with women ripping them off. For their ego and "honor" they beat the woman up. Or worse they kill her. Now you're in prison.

And if the woman will not accept any money or any favors from you for sex? Then just leave it at that. No need to hate her, beat her, kill her, or rape her. In all honesty one is not suppose to be having sex outside of marriage anyways. So, if you're going to sin sexually, must you compound it with raping the woman or beating her up?

Look... I've had a woman run off with hundreds of dollars of mine. HUNDREDS. When I saw her again I never laid a hand on her. Some men by the codes of the street might find that disgustingly soft. That's fine. I'm not in prison.

But hey... I guess drugging and raping a woman seems more profitable to some men than simply asking the woman if she'll sleep with you for X, Y, or Z amount of dollars. I'll be a trick before I'll be a rapist.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

I think that it is wrong to punish someone who hasnt even been charged with a crime. These charges came up before and the women were discredited, that should tell us something. I think it is possible he did this but without proof and charges I think he is being wrongly harmed

How was it discredited? I keep hearing his lawyer say that. Even now a rape is hard to prosecute. So I could picture a famous rich person, back in the 70's, with lots of money being prosecuted. I imagine it got look at and they gave the victim grief about it. So she gave up.

 

[ulu]

all that's certain is that either cosby or some of the women are lying.
Likely neither will be charged with anything

 

[ulu]

You mean other than raping Juanita Broderick?
How about:bla bla bla

He was never convicted of any wrongdoing in any of these "cases"
if you want to slander somebody, do it somewhere else

 

[SuperCloud]

He was never convicted of any wrongdoing in any of these "cases"
if you want to slander somebody, do it somewhere else

Technically, it would be libel if it's in print, but public figures can't sue for libel on issues that are brought out and controversial before the public.

So, for example, OJ Simpson could not sue any or all white Americans that typed on the internet he was truly guilty of committing a double homicide.

Also, what few Americans realize, is that U.S. courts distinguish between true guilt and legal guilt sufficient to send someone to prison. In other words, a person may not be truly guilty, or said another way, a person may be innocent of the charges, however, due to perception and subjective interpretation of evidence, a person may be found guilty as charged. Even though they are innocent.

Overall, U.S. courts are not really concerned with if you are truly innocent or truly guilty. Not in terms of the judge, prosecution, and defense. The jury may be another matter. But in terms of the judge, prosecution, and defense, the main concern is if by law you can be convicted or exonerated.

 

[Cearbhall]

So yes, I believe there was sex. But I think it was consensual. I think it was consensual and one of these women got ticked off for some reason and now all of these other women are like "hey!" and yeah, probably seeing some $$.

Do I think it's a conspiracy because he's spoken out to his fellow black men? Not really. I would be truly surprised if that was the case.

"Some reason"

So you're jumping to a conspiracy theory based on nothing? What evidence is there that it was consensual? I find it much more likely that he's just another rapist.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

"Some reason"

So you're jumping to a conspiracy theory based on nothing? What evidence is there that it was consensual? I find it much more likely that he's just another rapist.

How do you get conspiracy theory out of that? Women get ticked off at men all the time and make false claims. Tawanna Bradley ring a bell??

The repeated nature of these visits to me suggests some consensuality. These weren't cases where the women were stuck with Cosby or didn't have a choice but to keep going back. They weren't abused wives who feared for their lives.

Maybe I think more of myself, but if a man rapes me, I'm certainly not going to choose to GO BACK to the man when I don't have to.

There's no evidence of what I believe here, just as there's no evidence that he raped theses women.

 

[SuperCloud]

How do you get conspiracy theory out of that? Women get ticked off at men all the time and make false claims. Tawanna Bradley ring a bell??

The repeated nature of these visits to me suggests some consensuality. These weren't cases where the women were stuck with Cosby or didn't have a choice but to keep going back. They weren't abused wives who feared for their lives.

Maybe I think more of myself, but if a man rapes me, I'm certainly not going to choose to GO BACK to the man when I don't have to.

There's no evidence of what I believe here, just as there's no evidence that he raped theses women.

And that characteristic would suggest women are equal to men. Ergo, my question to men about them getting butt raped by another man. And there is a huge stigma surround men in--or outside of--prison that get butt raped by men. Or forced to give another man oral sex.

So, the feminist males are being disingenuous--irrespective if they don't realize it--when they claim women are equal or superior to men in intellect, morals, or interior as well as physical strength, yet they yap on about how independent women miles away (not under a violent pimps threats and controls [google up Pimp Snookies federal indictment]) from some celebrity man (not a celebrity gangster like 50 Cents or Suge Knight) have zero moral complicity or accountability in going back, and back around Cosby or hanging out with him.

They have a label for men in or out of prison that keep going back to a man that sexually butt pummels them when they are trembling at the rap to come.

So, men that are truly raped outside of prison, unless they are simply willing to sell themselves off in that way in exchange for financial or career success, simply won't go back around the dude. Notice I mentioned no heroic about beating their rapist up, running to the cops, or seeking revenge later. I simply said they will avoid that dude. If they were traumatized by being raped.

So, either the women are not being totally honest, or they were not raped, or if they were raped these are case examples that seem to evidence an asymmetry between men and women and that women are inferior to men. Not stronger, not smarter.

If one sincerely--deep in their heart--believes women are equal to men, then they can't hypocritically simply swallow all of these women's claims of rape whole.

I personally suspect--mainly due to Cosby's reaction as well as I heard he settled out of court in the past with a woman--as that at least some of these women were raped via Cosby slipping drugs into their drinks. And that some if not all of those raped made a rationally, calculated decision to try and advance their careers by not only keeping quite, but to remain friendly with him and do business with him. If so, that's understandable choice. Not my place to stand in judgement. But it's not the most saintly choices and behavior in the eyes of God I would think. No more than Judas taking a bag of monetary coins in exchange for his betrayal. These women did not betray Christ, but the question they have to ask themselves (and maybe they have) is if they betrayed themselves?

But not is all lost. Rape is not the worst thing on earth. Assuming you're not being beaten, choked, kicked, or violently sodomized etc. Not even a male being sodomized is the worst thing on earth. Just ask numerous gay men. It's how you will perceive and negotiate these things in your mind afterwards that will either free you and make you stronger or severely continue to emotionally and psychologically harm you. You can rise, recover, and be all the stronger person for it. I know I'm stronger for being sodomized.

 

[bhsmte]

How do you get conspiracy theory out of that? Women get ticked off at men all the time and make false claims. Tawanna Bradley ring a bell??

The repeated nature of these visits to me suggests some consensuality. These weren't cases where the women were stuck with Cosby or didn't have a choice but to keep going back. They weren't abused wives who feared for their lives.

Maybe I think more of myself, but if a man rapes me, I'm certainly not going to choose to GO BACK to the man when I don't have to.

There's no evidence of what I believe here, just as there's no evidence that he raped theses women.

You are absolutely correct that women get ticked at men and the right women, will start to do down the false allegation road. This is very common, during divorce and custody battles.

In this case, I don't see it. Many years have passed and anger has a shelf life. These allegations happened many years ago. If they were false allegations, I don't see what the motivation is at this point.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

You are absolutely correct that women get ticked at men and the right women, will start to do down the false allegation road. This is very common, during divorce and custody battles.

In this case, I don't see it. Many years have passed and anger has a shelf life. These allegations happened many years ago. If they were false allegations, I don't see what the motivation is at this point.

I see the ante being upped every time an alleged victim comes forward. I do agree with the lawyer that it borders on absurdity.

Did you see the pictures that Janice Dickinson "shared" that she says she took of Cosby right before she passed out? I applaud that woman's photography skills for getting such straight on, focused pictures while under the influence.

Someone else brought up a good point somewhere else that this was the 70s...how does one black man get away with raping so many white women in this era? Racial tensions had certainly started to change, but one of those actresses recounted a very public meeting with Cosby in a green room. It never occurred to any of these women to scream rape the moment they walked back into a room full of white men?

Again, not victim blaming - it's kinda hard to blame the victim when I'm not even sure there were victims per se.

And for the record, I don't believe Cosby is Mr. Perfect Innocent in all of this, either. Like I said, I think this was consensual sex.

 

[WalksWithChrist]

I'm glad all of this is finally coming to light and getting full attention. I'm a #5 on the informal poll in the OP. And I'm a lifelong fan of Cosby.
I'm glad his reputation of America's Dad is being taken away. It's a shame that he can't be charged for any of this. If half of it's true, then he's a monster and should be locked up for life. As it it, he's free and still enjoying a nice life. His shows being cancelled way after the fact is too little, too late. He's getting off lucky.
Still. I do believe (as does Cosby on some level) in the forever. If he doesn't fully and genuinely repent, publicly (Arnold did), at some point then he will be facing a much higher justice than we can mete out here on Earth.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

Interesting read:

Bill Cosby paid off women says ex-NBC employee - NY Daily News

 

[Supreme]

Who? Never heard of him. Regardless, it seems like the evidence against Cosby is looking quite strong, although he's innocent until he's proven guilty in a court of law.

 

[SuperCloud]

Who? Never heard of him. Regardless, it seems like the evidence against Cosby is looking quite strong, although he's innocent until he's proven guilty in a court of law.

He was a famous comedian that starred in blacksploitation (spelling?) films during the 70s or so. Then he played the complete opposite character as a medical doctor on the Cosby Show during the '80s. Even back in the 1980s I realized he was being dishonest about his moral superiority against slang talk when he made money and fame doing that in movies during the 1970s. But very few black people back then seemed to connect the dots. But priests, celebrities, and Presidents really didn't fall from grace back then. The internet did not exist either.

Now on yahoo news, there is an article with some man known as the "fixer" that worked for NBC or something, that says he funneled money, apartments, to women and models for Bill Cosby all throughout the Cosby Shows existence. He claims he is speaking up now because he feels sorry for the women coming out.

I don't know if you're aware at the hissy fit conservatives in the USA had over Bill Clinton's adulterous affairs. Now, they dismiss Cosby's just like liberals dismissed Clinton's.

Given this culture of dishonesty on both sides which care little for truth and justice but only their agendas, do you think I'm wrong for concluding most Americans are dishonest on some level?

Actually, I think all humans are but for the Virgin Mary and Jesus. So, I even acknowledge I'm dishonest on some level--related to some things. However, having dealt with countless Americans, I'm pretty confident I'm a lot more honest than most of them. While I have many character flaws, I think my honesty (level of it at least) and fidelity towards those faithful to me (which I believe exceeds the average man) are my strong points, and the things both Christ and Madonna appreciate most about me. After all, Christ himself has spoken to me, and although the Virgin Mary did not speak to me, she did communicate to me.

People liked Cosby as someone that pontificated about morals because he said stupid stuff like this about people breaking into your house being on drugs:

Bill Cosby on Trayvon Martin - YouTube

Eh... no. I've never once broke into anyone's home. Nor have I drugged and raped a woman. I haven't shot up college campuses either. Didn't commit terrorist acts. Haven't abducted children.

And no... I don't need to call the cops if someone breaks into my home, and wait for them rather than grab a gun. Okay, in my neighborhood the cops are so busy, that literally it can take them 3hrs to respond to a break in. Cosby has enough money that I'm sure he does not live in the "hood." And this isn't 1960s USA. If it was then throughout the span of a whole year only 7 people might get murdered out of a population [then] of 700,000. Now 90 might get killed out of around 600 annually getting shot out of a population of 600,000. So, I don't need him pontificating to me on how to survive on the concrete I walk on. Evidently I've done somethings right, I'm still alive.

That said, he is right that Black-America has some serious cultural problems. But those are many and interwoven with so many things. In the video above, though, he is speaking about America as a whole.