Bill Cosby

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what did Clinton ever do wrong other than consensual sex withmonica?

 

[Hetta]

what did Clinton ever do wrong other than consensual sex withmonica?

Nothing. People just like to make things up. They do so at their own risk because, as we know, God hates liars.

 

[Hetta]

[*]He's innocent - this is yet another liberal plot to destroy a conservative black man

He's a conservative? I didn't know that.

Who knows? Probably nobody ever will as there is no evidence.

It's sickening and sad to see this whole hoopla going on. Either file charges or move on.

 

[KWCrazy]

what did Clinton ever do wrong other than consensual sex withmonica?

You mean other than raping Juanita Broderick?
How about:
Eileen Wellstone, 19-year-old English woman who said Clinton sexually assaulted her after she met him at a pub near the Oxford.
In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident.
In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse.
Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton's gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape.
From 1978-1980, during Clinton's first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually.
Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979: "I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn't even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room."
Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown.
Paula Corbin, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.
Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation's capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress.
Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton's leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex.
Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993.

You DO realize that NBC News only found out about Monica Lewinski while investigating the sexual harassment lawsuit filed by Paula Corbin Jones, right? They spiked the story like good liberals, Matt Drudge found it, and the rest is history.

You DO understand that Clinton wasn't impeached over consensual sex, right? He was impeached for two FELONIES which he later admitted committing in a deal to avoid prosecution.

I'm sure like a true apologist you'll ignore the facts and attack the source because the liberal press ran interference for Clinton for years, but in the rare case that you are willing to read the facts I'll include sources.
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[Hetta]

Lies lies lies from rubbish right wing sources.

And, be aware as I just found out, there is adware/spyware linked to some of those websites.

 

[Cearbhall]

#6. Too many stories, and some of the women have been trying to get the word out for years. The media is making it seem like this is all new.

 

[AceHero]

#6. Too many stories, and some of the women have been trying to get the word out for years. The media is making it seem like this is all new.

I have to concur. I think he is most likely guilty, and this is coming from someone who grew up listening to his records, reading his books, watching him on TV, and even seeing him on stage. I can understand why the women have taken so long to come out—he was on top of the world in the late 1960s and throughout the 1980s, and he would have tried to crush any attempts to incriminate him.

I've known about some vague accusations for quite a few years now, and it's amazed me that the media has taken so long to get on the case. I think his refusal to say anything about the topic (to the point of wanting questions about the rape allegations scrubbed from an interview) speak volumes.

 

[ThisBrotherOfHis]

Lou Ferrigno's wife Carla Ferrigno latest to accuse Bill Cosby of assault

Nine.

That’s the number of women who have come forward to publicly claim Bill Cosby sexually abused them, or attempted to.

They say they are telling their stories after enduring years fearful or embarrassing silence, but Cosby’s lawyer has come out against some of the women, calling them liars and opportunists, and labeling the press coverage a “feeding frenzy."

Carla Ferrigno, who is now married to bodybuilder Lou Ferrigno, is the latest Cosby accuser. Ferrigno was working as a Playboy Bunny in 1967 when she said she went on a double date with the comedian and his wife. She claims the date ended up at the Cosbys’ house, and when Cosby’s wife Camille retired for the evening, and her companion disappeared, Cosby attacked her.

Yet another accusation against Cosby, this one nearly 50 years old. As I said yesterday, for all I know he's a rapist. He should have been punished a long time ago, if that was the case. I realize there was a stigma in reporting sexual assault back then. But I also realize that even back then, 33% of the rapes and sexual assaults did get reported. Many of these women say he attacked them multiple times. To that, I ask, "Why did you let yourself get into a situation where you were along with him, if he had attacked you before?"

It is very difficult to believe that one of these women wouldn't have reported at least one of these attacks to the police, even given that he was powerful both through his fame and through his size. He was, after all, a former college football player. This is a complex story to sort out, and unfortunately, these women not having reported the attacks until now makes it impossible to prove in even civil court, much less criminal court -- and the statute of limitations has run out regardless.

Finally, I've got to ask again: If this wasn't Bill Cosby but just some guy, would we even be hearing about it? Would the women even have come forward to accuse "just some guy" after all these years?

I am sad to say, I doubt it. If Bill Cosby is a rapist, he's gotten away with it, and there really is no point in continuing to make allegations -- unless, of course, your purpose in making them is to get some payoff.

 

[RDKirk]

I haven't investigated the particular details of these allegations, but is some of it also a matter of changing definitions? "Sexual assault" in the 70s and 80s did not encompass as wide a range of possible activities as it does now. That's why even college campuses are having a hard time satisfactorily defining it today.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Here's what I think, and I'm not sure it corresponds to any of the "poll" options.

I think he probably had sex with these women. I think he may have told more than a few of them that he'd help them with their careers. Cosby was coming into his own during this time. (That could be a bad choice of words, perhaps) That seems to be a common theme from some of the women coming forward.

So yes, I believe there was sex. But I think it was consensual. I think it was consensual and one of these women got ticked off for some reason and now all of these other women are like "hey!" and yeah, probably seeing some $$.

Do I think it's a conspiracy because he's spoken out to his fellow black men? Not really. I would be truly surprised if that was the case.

 

[pgp_protector]

If I was a Hollywood man, I'm make sure all my recreational fun was Videotaped, including all parties consent.

Sorry Ladies: The Video is for my & your protections so no one can file false claims in the future.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

If I was a Hollywood man, I'm make sure all my recreational fun was Videotaped, including all parties consent.

Sorry Ladies: The Video is for my & your protections so no one can file false claims in the future.

Sad, but I think all of them should be doing this.

Or just stop having so much sex.

 

[SuperCloud]

I'm conflicted over this whole thing. It could be he's totally criminally innocent of everything. It could be he's criminally (not merely morally) guilty of everything. Or it could be Shakespearean where he is criminally guilty of one or more cases, and has some other additional women making false accusations for their own personal gain or notoriety.

I tell you one problem I have with this, the latest woman in particular who years later supposedly called him up when she had a performance in Detroit, then years after that had her sister call him for money when she was in the hospital (and she claims he sent her $10,000 and then $5,000).

I've been pretty forthcoming on this website about having a sexual history of having sex with men for and/or while under the influence of crack cocaine (highly sexual drug). The first time was the hardest and most psychologically damaging. I became extremely suicidal after that, for a time being. And irrespective of what non-addicts think they perceive and know, holding drugs over an addict for sex with them (it was a gay dude, and I was homeless at the time too) is every bit as sexually abusive per power dynamics as a boss telling a female employee she needs to give him sex.

My problem with this is that as a man I'm held accountable for my sexual actions (and I do own them). Also, I think I know something about trauma after sexual abuse (I've never accused anyone of raping me).

So, for the guys (men), free your minds from the shackles of female feminist leashes for just one second. And let me ask you this (imagine):

If a guy slips you drugs in your drink, you wake up naked with him getting dressed after he butt raped you, do you stay "cool" with him? Do you hang out a few days with him? Do you years later call him up when you land a gig in Detroit hoping he can help you out? Do you call him up on the phone when you're sick in the hospital and be like, "What up, homie! I need a few clams, can you hit my mitt with it, and Western Union it to me?" Do you even accept future drinks with him knowing he butt raped you last time through this method?

Or do you try to stay away from the guy that butt raped you, and if you so do happen to meet him again, you don't accept drinks he offers you when you sit down to have a casual talk with him?

I find the latest woman's story hard to swallow whole because of that. And if indeed she was raped the first time, morally everything after that she becomes complicit in too.

I mean, if a dude truly hated being butt raped by Bill Cosby, just fumed over it, but reasoned out he wants to advance his career and letting Cosby slip another Mickey in his drink and butt ram him over again will be good for his career and pocketbook, then homie is not all innocent before the eyes of God. And I doubt his "rape" was all that traumatic for him.

Now, for those inclined, you can re-put the chains the feminists have around your brains back on.

 

[SuperCloud]

Either he's guilty, or there is a broad conspiracy against him. The former seems more likely on cursory inspection.

Today on Sky News (a low quality UK news channel) it said "these allegations are unlikely to get to court because of their age". Is there any truth to that?

Statute of limitations.

This. What ThisBrother said.

As a sidebar, the statute of limitation in the Catholic Church for sexual abuse of children was redone so that now it extends out for more years than the secular laws of the United States for the same thing. So, while a person might not be able to get criminally tried in a U.S. court they could get tried under Church law in a Church court. That won't put them in jail or prison though, but can get them put out the priesthood.

 

[SuperCloud]

AceHero said:

I have to concur. I think he is most likely guilty, and this is coming from someone who grew up listening to his records, reading his books, watching him on TV, and even seeing him on stage. I can understand why the women have taken so long to come out—he was on top of the world in the late 1960s and throughout the 1980s, and he would have tried to crush any attempts to incriminate him.

Word of advice if you ever find yourself getting butt raped by some man. In rape cases physical and biological evidence are important. That's why it's important to be examined by a medical professional and have them collect evidence.

If you are drugged you should be able to find traces or biological/chemical evidence of the drug in your system. They can even do this with corpses of celebrities they think died by means of a drug overdose.

However, waiting decades afterwards can be problematic when no physical (or even circumstantial or testimonial) evidence exists.

Circa 1600 if 1 person then 3 then 30 other persons came forward to accuse a woman of being a witch that can vanish and appear in another location casting spells on people, would you be persuaded by the numbers of people coming forward?

Although, if Cosby settled out of court with one of those silence agreements (non-disclosure agreements I think they're called), then this bothers me. It makes me think he has some or 100% of the guilt.

But I tend to think most people are dishonest on some level, especially involving sex, and that includes conservative, well respected, prominent men of society.

 

[psalms 91]

I think that it is wrong to punish someone who hasnt even been charged with a crime. These charges came up before and the women were discredited, that should tell us something. I think it is possible he did this but without proof and charges I think he is being wrongly harmed

 

[Joykins]

I think 6 is the most likely-- but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the allegations isn't a bandwagon thing. Settling a case with a lot of money isn't a strong indicator of innocence to me, but it isn't an admission of guilt either.

 

[bhsmte]

I think 6 is the most likely-- but I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the allegations isn't a bandwagon thing. Settling a case with a lot of money isn't a strong indicator of innocence to me, but it isn't an admission of guilt either.

Agree.

Here is the thing, false allegations typically need compelling motivation to follow through with and those are typically either; money, or deep hatred in trying to ruin a reputation.

Unless I have missed something, some of these women held onto this for a long time, so the likelihood of money being the motivating factor is unlikely. If you are going to go after a celebrity for dough, you do it when his career is still going and they have more to lose and they are willing to pay the people off just to keep them quite. The hatred thing, I don't see and the fact you have several different women coming forward now, is quite damning, IMO.

 

[Gadarene]

What exactly is the endgame here then if Cosby can't be tried for any of this? Whip up a mob to ruin his reputation?

 

[bhsmte]

What exactly is the endgame here then if Cosby can't be tried for any of this? Whip up a mob to ruin his reputation?

It is not uncommon for people that have been victims of rape, abuse or these types of traumas, keep it buried for a long time, because they want to forget it happened. At some point, it is healthy for them to let it go and inform people of what happened, is part of that process.

If this was only one person coming forward, it would be highly questionable, but the number keeps growing and that lends credence to the accusations to me.

Is he guilty? I don't know, but I don't like the way it looks.