Biden says U.S. must not tolerate hate.....

[FireDragon76]

.....even after he himself has repeatedly referred to his political opposition as:

"MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies."

Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation | The White House

Independence National Historical ParkPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania (September 1, 2022) 8:03 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans, please,

www.whitehouse.gov

"We cannot and must not tolerate hate."

Statement by President Biden on the Deadly Shooting in Colorado Springs | The White House

While no motive in this attack is yet clear, we know that the LGBTQI+ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in recent years.

www.whitehouse.gov

It would be nice if he would make up his mind.

It is not hateful to denounce hate, unless you yourself cherish hate.

 

[Aldebaran]

No, really, they aren't.

Did that list mention anything about conservative policies like lower taxes and few regulations?
Did it mention lower/higher tariffs? (Not sure if you guys are free traders or protectionist anymore.)
Did it mention the size of the defense budget?
Did it mention the size of the social safety net?

(The answer to all of those questions is: No, it did not.)

It was a list about hating certain groups of people because of who they were (female, non-white, gay, trans).

"Hating" (your word). You're just parroting more of the anti-conservative talking points.

 

[Hans Blaster]

"Hating" (your word). You're just parroting more of the anti-conservative talking points.

So "conservatism" is no longer about taxes, or regulations, or trade, but is not just about gay people, etc.? Good to know.

 

[Aldebaran]

So "conservatism" is no longer about taxes, or regulations, or trade, but is not just about gay people, etc.? Good to know.

Again, your own words.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Again, your own words.

Since this is a game you like to play, why don't you define what is "conservatism" so we can figure out if we think it should be labeled "hateful". (I have hope that we will not need to apply that label, but I offer you, "the conservative" a chance to define the term for your own usage.) [If you also ID as "Republican" and want to separately define that (beyond member/supporter of the GOP) feel free to do so as well.]

 

[Aldebaran]

Since this is a game you like to play, why don't you define what is "conservatism" so we can figure out if we think it should be labeled "hateful". (I have hope that we will not need to apply that label, but I offer you, "the conservative" a chance to define the term for your own usage.) [If you also ID as "Republican" and want to separately define that (beyond member/supporter of the GOP) feel free to do so as well.]

Conservatism: The holding of political views that favor free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Conservatism: The holding of political views that favor free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.

Of these only the last could possibly apply, so does favoring "socially traditional ideas" require:

Republicans were not called deplorable, only a certain, deplorable subset were and, then, not because they are Republican but because they embrace misogyny, racism, bigotry and homophobia.

Or does it not?

(Let me add in edit that Daisy said this of "Republicans" rather than conservatives.)

 

[DaisyDay]

Those accusations you listed are merely accusations that are used to fuel anti-conservative propaganda.

Naw, there is a difference between the alt right and conservatives.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Star Trek is my favorite anti-conservative propaganda.

 

[IceJad]

.....even after he himself has repeatedly referred to his political opposition as:

"MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies."

Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation | The White House

Independence National Historical ParkPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania (September 1, 2022) 8:03 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans, please,

www.whitehouse.gov

"We cannot and must not tolerate hate."

Statement by President Biden on the Deadly Shooting in Colorado Springs | The White House

While no motive in this attack is yet clear, we know that the LGBTQI+ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in recent years.

www.whitehouse.gov

It would be nice if he would make up his mind.

Oh my! Politicians being forked tongue and hypocritical? Tell me it isn't so... tell me sweet lies. Yeah anyone who believe Biden is the compass of higher moral standard is either sincerely ignorant or a fervent zealot.

 

[ozso]

.....even after he himself has repeatedly referred to his political opposition as:

"MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies."

Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation | The White House

Independence National Historical ParkPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania (September 1, 2022) 8:03 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans, please,

www.whitehouse.gov

"We cannot and must not tolerate hate."

Statement by President Biden on the Deadly Shooting in Colorado Springs | The White House

While no motive in this attack is yet clear, we know that the LGBTQI+ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in recent years.

www.whitehouse.gov

It would be nice if he would make up his mind.

The way to suddenly make this turn into unacceptable hate speech is to replace "MAGA" with something else and credit it to a republican.

 

[Larniavc]

It's exactly the same thing. If Trump, or any other Republican would be caught saying that homosexuals, transsexuals, or drag queens are deplorable, it would immediately be labeled as "hate speech".

That’s because they are a protected class. Disgruntled spiteful racists is not a protected class.

 

[essentialsaltes]

sorta relevant (and interesting (and can't post article in its own thread (because of language (that's fairly mild (but wouldn't fly here)))))

Two pro wrestlers developed ‘The Progressive Liberal’ to be the bad guy at matches. Then the atmosphere turned far darker​

James enjoyed being the hero but it was nothing compared to playing the bad guy.

“They introduced me and the people booed me for almost two straight minutes. … It’s a high. … And I’ve been there in the same situation where they love me – I don’t think it compares to the high of the hatred.”

Together they developed “The Progressive Liberal” Dan Richards, often the bad guy at the matches in the Republican-voting mining towns of Appalachia and some southern states.

Over the past five years, however, that atmosphere has turned far darker, James and Harnsberger said this month.

People have become more frustrated, more divided, he said. And the Progressive Liberal offers an outlet for that built-up energy.

“So, now here’s this guy in our town, saying this stuff that we see on television that we don’t agree with. We can’t get those people [on TV], we can’t get the politicians. Let’s get him,” James said, describing the attitude.

...

on a recent night in Stickleyville, Virginia, where Trump’s share of the vote rose from an already overwhelming 78% in 2016 to 84% in 2020, it did turn ugly, and fast.

When some in the audience told their neighbors to let Harnsberger speak [a usual part of the act where the progressive riles up the crowd with unpopular views] it boiled over. Punches were thrown. Someone was hit with a chair.

More fights broke out and the brawling spilled into the parking lot.

[The bout was cut short.]

James and Harnsberger sat backstage, waiting for it to be quiet enough to allow them to leave safely

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

.....even after he himself has repeatedly referred to his political opposition as:

"MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies."

Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation | The White House

Independence National Historical ParkPhiladelphia, Pennsylvania (September 1, 2022) 8:03 P.M. EDT THE PRESIDENT: My fellow Americans, please,

www.whitehouse.gov

"We cannot and must not tolerate hate."

Statement by President Biden on the Deadly Shooting in Colorado Springs | The White House

While no motive in this attack is yet clear, we know that the LGBTQI+ community has been subjected to horrific hate violence in recent years.

www.whitehouse.gov

It would be nice if he would make up his mind.

One can speak truth without hate.

 

[rambot]

.....even after he himself has repeatedly referred to his political opposition as:

"MAGA Republicans have made their choice. They embrace anger. They thrive on chaos. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of lies."

"We cannot and must not tolerate hate."


It would be nice if he would make up his mind.

I hate to burst your bubble but those two things are ABSOLUTELY not opposed. He did not instruct anyone to "hate". He simply pointed out the behaviour of the Republican party. You may think the charaterization is off but that's not hate.

Reminds me of a scene from the office:

Pam: Michael, that's not a hate crime

Michael: Well I hated it!

 

[Aldebaran]

That’s because they are a protected class. Disgruntled spiteful racists is not a protected class.

At least someone is willing to admit that those people are being classified as "protected".

 

[Aldebaran]

One can speak truth without hate.

Unless someone on the Left side of the isle doesn't agree with that truth.

 

[Aldebaran]

I hate to burst your bubble but those two things are ABSOLUTELY not opposed. He did not instruct anyone to "hate". He simply pointed out the behaviour of the Republican party. You may think the charaterization is off but that's not hate.

Reminds me of a scene from the office:

Pam: Michael, that's not a hate crime

Michael: Well I hated it!

Did I claim that he instructed anyone to hate? At least openly?
His people understand dog-whistle.

 

[DaisyDay]

At least someone is willing to admit that those people are being classified as "protected".

That is a common, persistent misunderstanding. The people are not protected, the class is. Race is protected, but black and white and all the others are equally protected. Gender is protected, but male and female supposedly are equally protected. Ethnicity is protected which means that Asian and Anglo are equally protected.

 

[DaisyDay]

I hate to burst your bubble but those two things are ABSOLUTELY not opposed. He did not instruct anyone to "hate". He simply pointed out the behaviour of the Republican party. You may think the charaterization is off but that's not hate.

Not even of the Republican party, but of a certain faction of the party.

Reminds me of a scene from the office:

Pam: Michael, that's not a hate crime

Michael: Well I hated it!