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Biden reverses Trump orders that cracked down on vandalism of monuments

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by HARK!, May 15, 2021.

  1. HARK!

    HARK! Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    President Biden on Friday issued an executive order that revokes a handful of orders from former President Trump, including several tied to the defacement and vandalism of public monuments amid last year’s racial justice protests.

    Mr. Biden’s order negates an order from June 2020 that made it the policy of the United States to prosecute people to the “fullest extent” of the law if they damage or deface public property.

    Biden reverses Trump orders that cracked down on vandalism of monuments

    Why on earth would Biden tear down the barriers to lawlessness?
     
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  2. The Narrow Way

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    I appreciate your posts, HARK! They are refreshing. It's rather shocking to me that so many Christians are supportive of Biden and have such a HATRED for President TRUMP. Biden stands for EVERYTHING Christians should be against! And yet, a large % of the members here seem to think otherwise.

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  3. Pommer

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    Maybe:
    “The order from Mr. Trump also said it was the policy of the U.S. to withhold federal support from state and local governments and law enforcement agencies if they fail to protect public monuments and spaces from vandalism.”
    this had something to do with it?
     
  4. pescador

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    Probably everything to do with it.
     
  5. GirdYourLoins

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    Its very simple really. We know a lot of the unrest was stirred up by left wing extremists, people who would have voted for Biden. Its along standing left wing tactic to stir up as much protest, industrial action, hatred and civil unrest durng right wing governments in order to make them look worse. It was well reported that Antifa were behind a lot of the, lets say more robust protesting. Then as soon as there is a left wing government (even if not as left wing as they would like) they stop all action to make life seem better under left wing leadership. The BLM protest couldnt have been better for them if they had designed it themselves.

    Now we have a left wing government they have all but stopped. The genuine BLM protesters still have some action, but the large scale left wing fuelled activity has stopped.

    So now to bring it back to Biden, what he has done is revoke an order that would be used to bring his supporters to justice, people who helped him get into power.
     
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  6. HARK!

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    He doesn't have the authority to legalize it; but clearly he can drag his feet on enforcing the law.

    Look at the damage that was done to this statue of Jackson:

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    What has Biden done to find the culprits?

    If I had dropped a gum wrapper on the White House lawn; I'm sure that he could find me.

    What's wrong with Jackson anyway?
     
  7. iluvatar5150

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    Why would Biden or his administration do anything about it? As far as I’m aware, this was city property and vandalizing city property isn’t a federal crime.

    The White House is federal property.

    The Indian Removal Act is the big one. He also owned a bunch of slaves and opposed abolition.
     
  8. HARK!

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    President Andrew Jackson joined the military to fight in the Revolutionary War at age 13.

    Andrew Jackson

    18 U.S. Code § 1369 - Destruction of veterans’ memorials

    Whoever, in a circumstance described in subsection (b), willfully injures or destroys, or attempts to injure or destroy, any structure, plaque, statue, or other monument on public property commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.

    18 U.S. Code § 1369 - Destruction of veterans’ memorials
     
  9. iluvatar5150

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    Yep, I edited my post accordingly.


    You should read the rest of that page, specifically “subsection b”:

    IOW, this law only pertains to people who either attack federal property, or who use the mail, or who travel across state lines.

    I don’t know who defaced the Jackson statue (it’s happened several times), but I’m gonna guess they’re probably locals.
     
  10. HARK!

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    Well isn't it up to law enforcement to get those facts, instead of guessing?

    It's not like they have to drive from D.C..

    1. Jacksonville — FBI
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      Along with our main office in Jacksonville, we have seven satellite offices, known as resident agencies, in the area. Daytona Beach. Counties covered: Flagler, Putnam, Lake, and Volusia; Fort ...
     
  11. iluvatar5150

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    Yeah, local law enforcement until there’s something indicating federal jurisdiction.

    But to take this a step further - the statute doesn’t protect every memorial to anybody who was a veteran. It specifically calls out those memorials “commemorating the service of any person or persons in the armed forces of the United States.” The Andrew Jackson statue in questynotes on one side that he was the first governor of Florida under the US flag, and on the other side that he was the namesake of Jacksonville. Nothing there about him being a veteran (btw, he was more famously a veteran of the War of 1812), or even president. So, it seems to me that this statute wouldn’t apply regardless of who committed the act.
     
  12. HARK!

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    The fact the the statue has Jackson sporting a military uniform, with a sword strapped to his side, would lead me to believe that it might be related to Jackson's military service. Just a hunch. Detectives are pretty good with coming up with hunches, and then investigating them.
     
  13. HARK!

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    It doesn't work that way when the Feds raid California pot farms. It didn't work that way at Waco. Why the exception in this case?
     
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    ADVISOR HAT


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    This thread had a clean up. Please stay on topic and stay civil.
     
  15. HARK!

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    If you were the one who was out there putting your life on the line to defend your countrymen; I'm sure that your perspective of what matters would be influenced.

    The guy who peels potatoes, in a war zone, is every bit as much a veteran, as the General who sits at a desk in D.C. IMO.
     
  16. Arcangl86

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    Growing pot is against federal law always, so they obviously have jurisdiction. ATF only got involved in Waco after they got a call from the local cops. The federal government only has jurisdiction in cases like the Jackson statue if it is on federal property or the parties were involved in interstate commerce. The FBI isn't going to expend resources investigating what might maybe possibly be a violation of federal law.
     
  17. HARK!

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    Police aren't qualified to interpret the law. That is up to the courts. Police make arrests based on suspicious activity.

    This looks suspicious enough to me to warrant an investigation.

    By the way, the FBI technically have no jurisdiction unless the local Sheriff gives them jurisdiction.

    This is settled law that goes back to England.

    See: Printz v. United States, 521 U.S. 898 (1997)
     
  18. Arcangl86

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    What about it makes you think a federal crime might have taken place? It's a strictly local matter.

    And you are dead wrong about the jurisdiction of the FBI, and there is no way there could be settled law that goes back to England, because England isn't a federal country. And Printz doesn't say what you are claiming. Printz says that the federal government cannot force a state executive to perform any action on behalf of the federal government. It's an important decision, but not at all related to your claim.
     
  19. HARK!

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    What makes you think that one hasn't?

    Clearly a crime was committed, that very may well have violated a Federal law.

    It seems that there is more likelihood that there will be more of an investigation as to whether or not a Federal law was broken, during a routine traffic stop.
     
  20. Arcangl86

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    The FBI isn't going to waste resources investigating a crime that they probably don't have jurisdiction over.

    No need. I spent a week on Printz in law school. It's one of the first things you learn in Con Law. I also studied New York V. US, which was an earlier case that did the same thing as Printz, but for the legislature. Together they form what is known as the "anti-commandeering doctrine", which in a nutshell says that the feds can't force the states to do anything. Personally I think that New York V. US and Printz are both wrong from a legal-historical view, a textualist view, and a policy view, but I don't make the law and ideology often gets in way of what the most obvious ruling should be.

    But neither case have anything to do with your claim that the FBI only has jurisdiction if granted it by the local sheriff. The so-called "Constitutional Sheriff" movement is only about 70 years old and has no legal or constitutional backing. Sheriff"
     
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