Biden might be in trouble.

[ZNP]

You're not really suggesting that Nixon is a preference to anyone, are you ?

I'm saying as much as I think tricky Dick was the worst president ever, he wasn't senile, he was a very capable leader who understood geopolitics, and he compares very favorably to both Trump and Biden. I am saying when we had Nixon I felt this was evidence of how far we had fallen since the JFK assassination, but now it seems like those were the good ole days.

 

[A_Thinker]

I think we should have a law that if we have less than 50% of the registered voters vote then the election is not valid. That would give those of us who dislike both candidates an option. Without this law the big donors will continue to get their prostitutes elected.

I think that an easier solution is to limit individual contributions to political campaigns ...

BTW, ... 55% of the voting age population voted in 2016. I don't know if the percentage has ever fallen below 50% in the modern era ... perhaps 1996 ...



Change in voter turnout over time for five selected countries

 

[A_Thinker]

he was a very capable leader who understood geopolitics, and he compares very favorably to both Trump and Biden.

That's a pretty subjective judgement ... I think that Biden would beat a post-Watergate Nixon ...

 

[ZNP]

I think that an easier solution is to limit individual contributions to political campaigns ...

BTW, ... 55% of the voting age population voted in 2016. I don't know if the percentage has ever fallen below 50% in the modern era ... perhaps 1996 ...



Change in voter turnout over time for five selected countries

Exactly, you give people a valid reason to stay home. If 30% of the voters show up and you only get 52% of that vote, then approximately 85% of registered voters didn't vote for you. What kind of mandate do you have. How can that election seem representative of the public.

 

[A_Thinker]

If Joe Biden wins the next election, then he will be the result of many Democrats wanting to oust Trump and regain control of the presidency. He will be the result of many Democrats who will want to regain political power and dominance over Republicans.

Some will be voting for SANE leadership in the Executive ...

 

[Albion]

I'm saying as much as I think tricky Dick was the worst president ever, he wasn't senile, he was a very capable leader who understood geopolitics, and he compares very favorably to both Trump and Biden. I am saying when we had Nixon I felt this was evidence of how far we had fallen since the JFK assassination, but now it seems like those were the good ole days.

I basically agree, but what it shows to us is that "slippery slope" that has been referred to before. The idea of impeaching any president was so foreign to most Americans in Nixon's day. That was something the Constitution provided for in an extreme situation but no one had expected to see it occur. Then one party did--and got away with it. So when the other party had its chance during the Clinton era, it took it.

More recently, the other to the other party (!) decided to have an impeachment even before any charges had been decided upon. Indeed some members of Congress said publicly that it didn't matter if there were any. So then they arranged to have some and conducted an inquiry that was so absent the usual rules of the House that even the members of that party back in the Nixon era would have been shocked.

What will happen now? Well, even though there was no conviction of the current President, the party that impeached him is thinking of having another go at it!

Slippery slope? You bet. And do not doubt that when the make-up of the House and/or Senate changes, and there is a new occupant of the White House, the Republicans will return the favor that was returned because of the previous return, etc.

 

[loveofourlord]

I agree it is a long shot. But it has happened before. And we can never change if we don't try.

An election where the fate of the country for the next 4 decades isn't the time to play games, your not voting for trump or biden, your voting who gets to decide to replace ruth bader ginsberg, plus possibly 1-2 others, your vote against biden is a vote for trump and even more screwing up the US supreme court and making sure woman and gays have no rights for the next 4-5 decades. Everyone that didn't vote for hilary, but supports LGBT owes them a apology.

 

[A_Thinker]

Exactly, you give people a valid reason to stay home. If 30% of the voters show up and you only get 52% of that vote, then approximately 85% of registered voters didn't vote for you. What kind of mandate do you have. How can that election seem representative of the public.

Third parties are the allowable alternative now. If we can limit political contributions to those made by individuals, ... third parties can have a more viable path ...

We're likely moving toward a vote-by-mail system anyway. This will increase participation.

 

[Albion]

...your vote against biden is a vote for trump and even more screwing up the US supreme court and making sure woman and gays have no rights for the next 4-5 decades. Everyone that didn't vote for hilary, but supports LGBT owes them a apology.

The propaganda seems to have worked.

Be that as it may, this will be a major claim made during the upcoming campaign, as will the false charges about Trump favoring China in his policies.

The thing to notice about both of those ploys is that they do not bear upon the question of Biden's leadership or ability to function well as the chief executive.

If he is elected and then cannot even remember what day it is, that fact won't matter so long as he is able to sign a document when an advisor puts it in front of him.

 

[Albion]

Third parties are the allowable alternative now. If we can limit political contributions to those made by individuals, ... third parties can have a more viable path

The main problem for them is the joint efforts of the Republicans and Democrats to make it extremely difficult for any third party to get on the ballot in the first place. But most people barely pay attention to those technicalities if they do at all.

 

[Kentonio]

Since you are from France how would the French react to an allegation that the man running for president had done what Biden is accused of?

I’m not French, but French presidents actually have quite a track record of being sexually immoral and sexual assault is sadly all too common in France. It’s still a very sexist country, although it’s improving slowly.

With Biden though, deplorable though the allegations are, they’re also in the context of the actual president having a large number of credible allegations of not just sexual assault but rape against him, including that by his ex-wife (yes I know she withdrew it later after they came to some agreement). He’s also been accused by some of Epstein’s victims of having been involved in that mess. This remember is a man who was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.

Personally I wouldn’t have run Biden as the nominee in a million years for this and numerous other reasons, but the Republicans have lined up behind a man who is far, far worse, and accused of much more serious sexual offenses.

 

[loveofourlord]

The propaganda seems to have worked.

Be that as it may, this will be a major claim made during the upcoming campaign, as will the false charges about Trump favoring China in his policies.

The thing to notice about both of those ploys is that they do not bear upon the question of Biden's leadership or ability to function well as the chief executive.

If he is elected and then cannot even remember what day it is, that fact won't matter so long as he is able to sign a document when an advisor puts it in front of him.

What propaganda it was the reality for all the people that voted third party against hilary, and it's a fact, both of trumps supreme court replacemnts are in their 50's and supreme court justices are for life and dont' retire/leave till usually their 80's or later.

 

[Bobber]

Honestly, it's a day late and a dollar short for a conservative to start acting like the moral character of the President should be a serious issue to judge again now that it's Biden's character in question. I'm sorry, but that bird flew the coop four years ago in the 2016 presidential election. It's laughable now.

What are you saying! All the massive amount of people who support the metoo movement should just give Biden a pass? Give EVERYBODY a pass henceforth doesn't matter what atrocities they might have done? So I get it! You don't like Trump. You think he's guilty of A, B or C. So what you close your eyes to someone who might equally be so and don't even take it into consideration?

 

[Albion]

What propaganda it was the reality for all the people that voted third party against hilary, and it's a fact, both of trumps supreme court replacemnts are in their 50's and supreme court justices are for life and dont' retire/leave till usually their 80's or later.

Had your point been that nominating a relatively young judge, as the presidents of both parties have been doing more lately, has long-lasting consequences for the conservative-liberal balance on the Court, you might have had a point. That isn't what is claimed in that post, however.

 

[loveofourlord]

Had your point been that nominating a relatively young judge, as the presidents of both parties have been doing more lately, has long-lasting consequences for the conservative-liberal balance on the Court, you might have had a point. That isn't what is claimed in that post, however.

No my point was only that trump put up right wing judges twith questionable ability to rule that will vote against anything liberal, if your conservative thats fine, but if your a liberal and actually want to see progress for things like lgbt and womans rights then your voting for 30 years of harm.

 

[ZNP]

Third parties are the allowable alternative now. If we can limit political contributions to those made by individuals,

You can't, nothing is slipperier than money.

... third parties can have a more viable path ...

We're likely moving toward a vote-by-mail system anyway. This will increase participation.

Third parties mean we won't have a majority. If you want to move to a parliamentary system I would agree with that as well.

 

[A_Thinker]

The thing to notice about both of those ploys is that they do not bear upon the question of Biden's leadership or ability to function well as the chief executive.

They do bear upon the question of Trump's leadership or ability to function well as the chief executive.

Also relevant ...

 

[A_Thinker]

I get it! You don't like Trump. You think he's guilty of A, B or C. So what you close your eyes to someone who might equally be so and don't even take it into consideration?

Noone ... is equal to Trump ...

 

[Albion]

No my point was only that trump put up right wing judges twith questionable ability to rule that will vote against anything liberal, if your conservative thats fine, but if your a liberal and actually want to see progress for things like lgbt and womans rights then your voting for 30 years of harm.

No, the point, which I highlighted for you, concerned the following claim:

"...making sure woman and gays have no rights for the next 4-5 decades."

 

[Albion]

Noone ... is equal to Trump ...

Peter Noone, the English singer of "Herman's Hermits" fame?

Is he actually equal to Trump? Or not. It's tough to decide.