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Biden impeachment inquiry ‘eight months of abject failure’, watchdog report says

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You're the one making the points. It's you that's saying that the report is wrong.

I actually haven't said anything about the report. I've simply shown that Twitter execs were saying something very different than the report found, a point you don't seem to want to discuss.

I'm prepared to listen to any evidence that you have that indicates that.

I don't think you are.
 
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In the image you shared, this is Twitter's preliminary assessment with respect to #ReleaseTheMemo, whatever that was.

No, there was quite a bit more than that. The article begins:

The Fake Tale of Russian Bots and the #ReleaseTheMemo Hashtag​
♫ Conjunction junction, what's your function? ♫ Do you know what the word AND means?

Twitter execs specifically said this regarding "Russian bots":

"We are feeding congressional trolls.”
“Not any…significant activity connected to Russia.”
“Putting the cart before the horse assuming this is propaganda/bots.”

This had nothing to do with any hashtag. It had to do with the allegations that legitimate Twitter accounts were being classified as "Russian bots".

Twitter warned politicians and media the not only lacked evidence, but had evidence the accounts weren’t Russian – and were roundly ignored.
There is no question that Twitter identified "50,258 automated accounts that we identified as Russian-linked and Tweeting election-related content during the election period"

There is also no question that what Twitter was saying privately contradicts what they were saying publicly.
 
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No, there was quite a bit more than that. The article begins:

The Fake Tale of Russian Bots and the #ReleaseTheMemo Hashtag​
♫ Conjunction junction, what's your function? ♫ Do you know what the word AND means?

You'd be on firmer ground if there was an OR there.

That whole Taibbi twitter thread centers on the Feinstein Schiff "Re: ASD" letter.

That letter is specifically about "Russian Bot Activity in #ReleaseTheMemo Campaign"

Not all Russian bots, but bots associated with this hashtag.

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If Alice (or the Russians) is innocent of stealing the Queen's tarts (or boosting ReleaseTheMemo), that does not imply she is innocent of all crimes.

The Bipartisan Senate Report describes the active involvement of Russian bots and other methods of influence on social media. As far as I know, it doesn't discuss #ReleaseTheMemo, so there's no point bringing it up over and over again.
 
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Yes, there's a question, since the source I quoted was Twitter, as referenced in the bipartisan senate report.

Why did you edit out Hamilton 68? That's not "something or other". It was the magical source of all of the alleged information showing these social media accounts were bots. The equivalent of McCarthy's list of communists.

I can't embed the video (because it would violate the rules on profanity), but here is a compilation of the media talking about "Russian linked Twitter accounts" and referencing Hamilton 68 as their source.

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Privately and "off the record", Twitter execs were questioning the veracity of Hamilton 68 saying this (emphasis added):

Off the record: I encourage you to be skeptical of Hamilton 68's take on this, which as best I can tell is the only source for these stories. 1) Hamilton 68 does not release the accounts that make up their dashboard, so no one can verify the accounts they include are in fact Russian automated accounts, and 2) it is extraordinarily difficult for outside researchers, who do not have access to our full API and internal account signals, to say with any degree of certainty that an account they believe is behaving suspiciously is 1) automated and 2 Russian. If you speak with them, I encourage you to press them on how they can be sure of both of these claims When they do not have access to internal signals and data.

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So how does #releasethememo fit into this? Well, that was one hashtag that politicians and the media said began trending due to "Russian bots". But Twitter says in the email above (emphasis added):
We've been monitoring closely since #releasethememo started trending late last week, but thus far both hashtags appear to be organically trending.
We have not seen any indications that the accounts engaging in this activity for either hashtag are predominately Russian, or that Russian accounts are driving the engagement. The vast majority of what we're seeing here is appears to be organic in nature. Lots of prominent conservative Twitter accounts are using one or both of these hashtags, including DJT Jr, Rep. Steve King, Rep. Mark Meadows, and many others. This is inspiring a lot of both RTs and organic engagement.

This is unredacted evidence that calls into question their official, public statement. Why were they corresponding behind the scenes that there was little Russian involvement while simultaneously responding to the government saying that "50,258" accounts had been identified? Aren't you a bit curious why there's such a discrepancy?
 
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If Alice (or the Russians) is innocent of stealing the Queen's tarts (or boosting ReleaseTheMemo), that does not imply she is innocent of all crimes.

While this is a super pithy saying, it's pretty naive in this context.

Let's try a different take: If the government is guilty of pressuring Twitter execs to classify legitimate Twitter accounts as bots as it pertains to one hashtag despite evidence to the contrary, they're probably just as likely to pressure Twitter execs to classify other accounts on other topics without evidence.
 
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As an aside, this graphic seems relevant to this and many other conversations in this forum.

Across the political spectrum, trust in mass media has rapidly declined with one exception, and that is Democrats. Democrats still trust the mass media in large numbers. But they're the only political group that does.

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But I digress...
 
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As an aside, this graphic seems relevant to this and many other conversations in this forum.

Across the political spectrum, trust in mass media has rapidly declined with one exception, and that is Democrats. Democrats still trust the mass media in large numbers. But they're the only political group that does.

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But I digress...
The people with unpopular views are skeptical about the news media reporting that their unpopular views are unpopular?
No!
 
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I actually haven't said anything about the report.
That's not correct. You even posted a snapshot of a couple of pages. You implied that there was no evidence in it. That's not correct either.
I don't think you are.
There's lots in that report that you can argue against. If you have nothing then you'll produce nothing. It's up to you.
 
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The people with unpopular views are skeptical about the news media reporting that their unpopular views are unpopular?

Who knew that the news was actually just supposed to be a popularity contest...
 
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