Biblical Timeline leading up to the end

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

LittleLambofJesus said:
Good site:
There are a plethora of the form of the greek root word G4130.

I like to see where each form is used in Revelation to better harmonize the NT to the OT.

Here are a few of the words:

Strong's Concordance with Hebrew and Greek Lexicon

4130. pletho play'-tho, a prolonged form of a primary pleo pleh'-o
(which appears only as an alternate in certain tenses and in the reduplicated form pimplemi) to "fill" (literally or figuratively (imbue, influence, supply)); specially, to fulfil (time):--accomplish, full (...come), furnish.

4137. pleroo play-ro'-o from 4134; to make replete, i.e. (literally) to cram (a net), level up (a hollow), or (figuratively) to furnish (or imbue, diffuse, influence), satisfy, execute (an office), finish (a period or task), verify (or coincide with a prediction), etc.:--accomplish, X after, (be) complete, end, expire, fill (up), fulfil, (be, make) full (come), fully preach, perfect, supply.
4134. pleres play'-race from 4130; replete, or covered over; by analogy, complete:--full.

Mat 2:15
and he was there till the death of Herod, that it might be fulfilled<4137> that was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying, 'Out of Egypt I did call My Son.'
Mat 2:17
Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying,

Luke 4:
17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
21 and He began by saying,
“Today this Scripture is fulfilled<4137> in your hearing.”

Used 2 times in Revelation

Rev 3:2
become watching, and strengthen the rest of the things that are about to die, for I have not found thy works fulfilled before God.

Rev 6:11
and there was given to each one white robes, and it was said to them that they may rest themselves yet a little time, till may be fulfilled also their fellow-servants and their brethren, who are about to be killed -- even as they.
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This form is used mainly in Luke and only in Acts outside of the Gospels [none in Revelation]

"DAYS OF VENGEANCE" Isaiah 61:2 and Luke 21:22 Revelation

Luke 21
22 That days of vengeance these are, of the to be fulfilled<4130> all the having been written
23 “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
For there will be great Distress in the land and Wrath<3709> upon this people.

Last time used

Act 19:29
and the whole City was filled<4130> with confusion, they rushed also with one accord into the theatre, having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, Macedonians, Paul's fellow-travellers.

Looks like you're using the Blue Letter Bible website. You can acquire and download PDF's from the Apostolic Bible Polyglot. if you use the Apostolic Bible Old and New Testament with the Apostolic Bible study guide and Apostolic Bible Analytical Lexicon You will be able to see all of the verb conjugations and noun declension's and cases and mood and so on all of which is very valuable information.

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
The physical Kingdom during the literal 1,000 year reign is just that.
That isn't the same as the future , eternal , heavenly Kingdom where only glorified bodies will reside with the Lord forever.
Two seperate kingdoms.
What have you gathered and learned from Revelation chapter 20?
The Word of God CLEARLY teaches a physical Kingdom on earth where Christ will reign for a literal 1,000 years.
During that time all unfulfilled prophecy regarding Israel will be fulfilled just like ALL of God's prophecies.
I am quite interested in what you have to say about Revelation chapter 20 in particular.
What do you say Dave?

I think we're running the risk of arguing in circles for vocabulary definitions.

There is clearly some sense in which the Kingdom came with Christ and his Kingdom will have no end. The Kingdom has existed for 2000 years and is prophesied to be eternal.

There is another sense in which the Millennium is an important age or phase or stage in the development of that Kingdom. A time of glory, the high Watermark of the Eternal Kingdom. On Earth,

but the millenium is not necessarily identical with the Kingdom. Just one stage one phase of.

I think both you and Dave would have much more agreement if say you agreed on the terms "Kingdom". And "Millennium of the Kingdom" Or something like that.

Dave keeps talking about the whole entire Kingdom and you keep talking about the Millennium of the Kingdom. Yet, certainly most of the time you're not actually running into each others arguments. You could all be right. Just about slightly different things.

Important nuances.

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

friend of said:
Dave L

You ascribe to replacement theology and yet the great Tribulation explicitly involves Christian believers. Not an enclave of Jews in 70 A.D.

Pagan Roman emperor Nero persecuted Christians for about 3 and a half years from about 64 to 68. AD.

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

Dave L said:
Jesus says the kingdom is spiritual. What else do you need?

AND prophecy also says 1000 years of that spiritual Kingdom will be physical visible obvious.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
AND prophecy also says 1000 years of that spiritual Kingdom will be physical visible obvious.

Not one word spoken by Jesus in the gospels or in the epistles even hints at a physical kingdom. The kingdom is of faith, not of sight.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

dad said:
True, it wasn't, then. However as voices from heaven itself proclaim

Re 11:15 -And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Jesus rules the nations and the universe from heaven. As God always has.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Douggg said:
I don't know their names because they have not come to power yet.

They are end times kings, leaders who will be the executive branch of the EU government. The EU is the fourth kingdom in Daniel 7, in the end times. And likewise, in Daniel 2, the EU is the fourth kingdom in the end times deteriorated into the feet and toes of iron mixed with clay. Which means some parts of it are strong and some parts weak.

The fourth kingdom, the Roman Empire, was in power at Jesus's first coming. And will be in power at Jesus's Second Coming, as the kingdom of the little horn - and later after the little horn has become the beast in Revelation 13.

During the rule of the beast, the EU will likely be allied with the U.S. and Canada, to make up the global superpower ruling over the rest of the world and controlling all of the oil in the middle east nations - which made up the territories of the three former beast kingdoms of Babylon, Medes/Persians, Greek. Which is the reason for the composite body of the beast in Revelation 13:2.

The ten kings (leaders) of the EU will be in power when Jesus returns to setup the physical Kingdom of God here on earth to rule over all human kingdoms (nations) during the 1000 year millennium.

Below is my chart, which I show the little horn starting out at the top, as leader of the EU. He will be a Jew, and also descended from the Julio-Claudian family of Caesars.

My chart is not a complete chronology. But it takes you to the beginning of the great tribulation in the middle of the 7 years. What the chart is - is a path of the end times arch villain, the roles he progresses through... to reach the time of the great tribulation at the bottom of the chart.

I have a second chart that picks up with the great tribulation and explains all the timeframes in Revelation and Daniel pertaining to the end times.

Where I say on the chart "King of the Roman Empire end times", just equate that with the EU in its final form.

Which is why I am watching brexit so closely, as that is having a huge impact on the EU restructurng itself to eventually having that ten leader plus the little horn person form of government.

Most think they already existed. If you junk your Jesuit inspired gap theory inserted between Daniel's 69th and 70th weeks, you might turn what you already know into something useful.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
The physical Kingdom during the literal 1,000 year reign is just that.
That isn't the same as the future , eternal , heavenly Kingdom where only glorified bodies will reside with the Lord forever.
Two seperate kingdoms.
What have you gathered and learned from Revelation chapter 20?
The Word of God CLEARLY teaches a physical Kingdom on earth where Christ will reign for a literal 1,000 years.
During that time all unfulfilled prophecy regarding Israel will be fulfilled just like ALL of God's prophecies.
I am quite interested in what you have to say about Revelation chapter 20 in particular.
What do you say Dave?

Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom. This means Satan rallies saints in glorified spiritual bodies against more saints in glorified spiritual bodies when loosed towards the end of Revelation 20. There's plenty more wrong with your theory too.

parousia70 · Apr 12, 2019

ItIsFinished! said:
Nothing in this quoted post of yours refutes a literal 1,000 year reign of Christ on earth .
NOTHING.
And who said anything about physical circumcision and blood animal sacrifices?
No one but you that I know of.
Hello??? The slain Lamb of God will reign during that time.
No need for blood animal sacrifices.

So you don’t believe Ezekiel prophesied about that reign?
Ezekiel is the one who testified about physical circumcision and animal sacrifices for atonement during that reign..

Was he lying?

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

Dave L said:
Not one word spoken by Jesus in the gospels or in the epistles even hints at a physical kingdom. The kingdom is of faith, not of sight.

Let's say that's true. Revelation is still scripture it still counts and cannot be ignored.

Revelation says the Saints will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years.

And so that is the case. You accept the divine inspiration of Revelation?

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

parousia70 said:
So you don’t believe Ezekiel prophesied about that reign?
Ezekiel is the one who testified about physical circumcision and animal sacrifices for atonement during that reign..

Was he lying?

Or speaking SYMBOLICALLY like revelation?

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
Let's say that's true. Revelation is still scripture it still counts and cannot be ignored.

Revelation says the Saints will live and reign with Christ for 1000 years.

And so that is the case. You accept the divine inspiration of Revelation?

Revelation is symbolic. The 1000 years are the binding of Satan. They are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom after the 1000 years come to a close.

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

Dave L said:
Revelation is symbolic. The 1000 years are the binding of Satan. They are not the kingdom. Satan attacks the kingdom after the 1000 years come to a close.

Yes, I have said essentially that several times in this thread already.

The Millennium is just one stage one phase in the existence of the Kingdom, which began with Christ and is prophesied to be eternal.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
Yes, I have said essentially that several times in this thread already.

The Millennium is just one stage one phase in the existence of the Kingdom, which began with Christ and is prophesied to be eternal.

But it is a symbol for the binding of Satan which happened with Christ's first coming.

parousia70 · Apr 12, 2019

A future literal "thousand years" period is taught nowhere in scripture. You can't find it in the Old Testament. You can't find it in the gospels or the epistles. The only mention of such is Rev 20, in which the "thousand years" is one of the book's many symbolic images.

It is crucial to note that the gospels and epistles explicitly teach that the resurrection, the "New Heavens/Earth," and the judgment all take place at the coming of Christ. They are not separated out in any fashion by any future thousand-years period as millennialists would have it.

As to the "millennium," the bible proves it is not a real historic thing:

Since the resurrection occurs at the second coming (1 Cor 15:23)...

And since the judgment occurs at the second coming (2 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:15-18)...

And since the New Heaven/Earth occurs at the "thief's coming," the "day of the Lord" (2 Pet 3:10/1 Thess 5:2)...

THEREFORE we know there is no literal historic millennium. The bible proves there is no literal earthly "millennium." The "thousand years" is a typological symbol in John's highly typological and symbolic vision.

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

Dave L said:
But it is a symbol for the binding of Satan which happened with Christ's first coming.

The Adversary was DECEIVING people AFTER the crucifixion, all the way through the tribulation to the abomination of Desolation described by Jesus during his olivet discourse in Matthew 24.

So the binding of Satan could not have occurred before the 70th week. Even preterists don't date that until 70 AD 40 years after the crucifixion.

Mat 24:4 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive G4105 you.

Mat 24:5 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive G4105 many.

Mat 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive G4105 many.

Mat 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive G4105 the very elect.

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
The Adversary was DECEIVING people AFTER the crucifixion, all the way through the tribulation to the abomination of Desolation described by Jesus during his olivet discourse in Matthew 24.

So the binding of Satan could not have occurred before the 70th week. Even preterists don't date that until 70 AD 40 years after the crucifixion.

Mat 24:4 - And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive G4105 you.

Mat 24:5 - For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive G4105 many.

Mat 24:11 - And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive G4105 many.

Mat 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive G4105 the very elect.

He can not deceive the elect. And the elect are believers from all nations (gentiles).

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

parousia70 said:
A future literal "thousand years" period is taught nowhere in scripture. You can't find it in the Old Testament. You can't find it in the gospels or the epistles. The only mention of such is Rev 20, in which the "thousand years" is one of the book's many symbolic images.

It is crucial to note that the gospels and epistles explicitly teach that the resurrection, the "New Heavens/Earth," and the judgment all take place at the coming of Christ. They are not separated out in any fashion by any future thousand-years period as millennialists would have it.

As to the "millennium," the bible proves it is not a real historic thing:

Since the resurrection occurs at the second coming (1 Cor 15:23)...

And since the judgment occurs at the second coming (2 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:15-18)...

And since the New Heaven/Earth occurs at the "thief's coming," the "day of the Lord" (2 Pet 3:10/1 Thess 5:2)...

THEREFORE we know there is no literal historic millennium. The bible proves there is no literal earthly "millennium." The "thousand years" is a typological symbol in John's highly typological and symbolic vision.

Well, I understand your arguments so far. But a time statement is a time statement. And if 1000 years doesn't mean 1000 years. Then near doesn't mean near?

Seems like your cherry picking and choosing when to accept a time statement at face value. "Near is near at the door is at the door". And when not to "1000 years well. Not really."

Can God tell time or not?

Erik Nelson · Apr 12, 2019

Dave L said:
He can not deceive the elect. And the elect are believers from all nations (gentiles).

Well let's say that's entirely true.

During the Millennium, the adversary cannot even deceive the nations.

The fact remains Matthew 24, is explicit and unambiguous, deception occurs after the crucifixion at the end of the 69th week. All the way through the tribulations leading up to and through the 70th week.

The earliest possible fulfillment of the 70th week prophecies was in 70 AD

Dave L · Apr 12, 2019

Erik Nelson said:
Well let's say that's entirely true.

During the Millennium, the adversary cannot even deceive the nations.

The fact remains Matthew 24, is explicit and unambiguous, deception occurs after the crucifixion at the end of the 69th week. All the way through the tribulations leading up to and through the 70th week.

The earliest possible fulfillment of the 70th week prophecies was in 70 AD

But these are not the elect. 3/4 of the seed sown fails in the parable of the sower. And tares act like Christians thinking works save them. But this all happens that those approved might be made manifest.

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