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Biblical Creationism and Self Deceit
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Steve Petersen
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Nah, they ridicule people who make ridiculous claims about Scripture.
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Well that is good news that you are a seeker. How much of the Bible have you examined in your search for Truth?
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I love it when Christians tell people it is their obligation to tell others when they have fell into sin but turn right around and tell others to move on when they are told the same thing. Not! I started this thread with a whole quote of Scripture describing the sin of deceit. I will not move on. To do so would advocate what I see as a grave and very deep sin. The sin of deceit and self deceit. Creationism is an abuse of the bible.
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You started this thread on a false premise. Creationists are not arrogant and they are not idiots. Creation is taught in Scripture.
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Funny you left out the word deceit. And you are confusing creation with Creationism. The idea was quite clear and Creationists are engaged in both deceit of others and deceit of themselves. They evidently have you fooled.
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As would any reasoned discussion perhaps terms should be defined.
Creationism is the belief that the Universe and Life originate "from specific acts of divine creation."
That could mean just about any belief of origins as long as an uncreated Creator was the centerpiece, designer of all that was created.
Several folks have taken your comments to task on your general use of "Creationism."
So we can only come to two conclusions (looking for your to clarify):
1. First you see deciet in any view where a person sees the Universe and Life originate "from specific acts of divine creation."
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2. You have issue with one (or more) specific views of Creationism.
Everyone posting here so far has affirmed they have as their core view that God is the Author of Creation. There are many views on how that was accomplished from the literal to allegory.
So do you take issue with Christians for believing in an uncreated Creator or specific views of divine creation?
The other question hanging out there is, so far you have not defined the deceit you vigorously rail against.
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Good mention of Augustine. Found this article which summarizes his studies of Scriptures with regards to Creation.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/may/22.39.html
Excerpt below from Christianity Today:
"Augustine draws out the following core themes: God brought everything into existence in a single moment of creation. Yet the created order is not static. God endowed it with the capacity to develop. Augustine uses the image of a dormant seed to help his readers grasp this point. God creates seeds, which will grow and develop at the right time. Using more technical language, Augustine asks his readers to think of the created order as containing divinely embedded causalities that emerge or evolve at a later stage. Yet Augustine has no time for any notion of random or arbitrary changes within creation. The development of God's creation is always subject to God's sovereign providence. The God who planted the seeds at the moment of creation also governs and directs the time and place of their growth.
Augustine argues that the first Genesis Creation account (1:1–2:3) cannot be interpreted in isolation, but must be set alongside the second Genesis Creation account (2:4–25), as well as every other statement about the Creation found in Scripture. For example, Augustine suggests that Psalm 33:6–9 speaks of an instantaneous creation of the world through God's creative Word, while John 5:17 points to a God who is still active within creation.
Further, he argues that a close reading of Genesis 2:4 has the following meaning: "When day was made, God made heaven and earth and every green thing of the field." This leads him to conclude that the six days of Creation are not chronological. Rather, they are a way of categorizing God's work of creation. God created the world in an instant but continues to develop and mold it, even to the present day."
There is much more to the article which does a good job of summarizing Augustine's studies on Creation. I encourage all who have not studied Augustine to view the entire article, which I think, shows the humility of the man examining God's written word.
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I already explained it to you. Read the thread if you want to see what post I was responding to.
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