Biblical Creationism and Self Deceit

[Givemeareason]

I'm deeply concerned with some of the outcomes of our public education system. My sister home-schooled her incredibly smart and talented and successful children, thank you very much.

There was a time when my oldest daughter was around 12 when we decided to homeschool for awhile out of concern for the quality of her education. My wife and daughter then joined a Christian home school social group because that was all there was. My daughter became friends with another young christian girl there. They would sometimes go back and forth with overnight stays. It quickly became apparent to my wife and daughter that this girl was extremely lacking in her education. One night the two girls were trying out makeup. The mother for some reason decided her daughter should come home that night. When the mother showed up she was horrified that her daughter had makeup on and the mother then broke off their relationship. We don't know what happened to the poor girl but the horror stories are sometimes true. I am glad your sister was a better parent.

 

[JustHisKid]

There was a time when my oldest daughter was around 12 when we decided to homeschool for awhile out of concern for the quality of her education. My wife and daughter then joined a Christian home school social group because that was all there was. My daughter became friends with another young christian girl there. They would sometimes go back and forth with overnight stays. It quickly became apparent to my wife and daughter that this girl was extremely lacking in her education. One night the two girls were trying out makeup. The mother for some reason decided her daughter should come home that night. When the mother showed up she was horrified that her daughter had makeup on and the mother then broke off their relationship. We don't know what happened to the poor girl but the horror stories are sometimes true. I am glad your sister was a better parent.

The horror stories about public education are also true. There are all kinds of bad parents everywhere. It takes much more commitment to home-school children than it does to send them off to school. I don't know the statistics, but I'm sure that a good majority of home-schooled children are extremely smart.

 

[Givemeareason]

The horror stories about public education are also true. There are all kinds of bad parents everywhere. It takes much more commitment to home-school children than it does to send them off to school. I don't know the statistics, but I'm sure that a good majority of home-schooled children are extremely smart.

And well indoctrinated.

 

[JustHisKid]

And well indoctrinated.

Which also happens in public school. Denying that is futile. Parents have the obligation and the right to teach their children. The state has NO RIGHT to indoctrinate children, but they do.

 

[SteveB28]

Yes, people may evolve from pond scum, but it would be extremely irresponsible to teach children about that kind of magical hooey.

We have a responsibility to our children to teach them as many things we can that are true, or are supported by evidence. Fantasy stories are also important, but we need to help them recognise the boundary between the real and the fantastic.

The enormous problem for those who fancy a biblical creationist view of the world is that they do not have a single skerrick of evidence, to support that view, whereas there are mountains of it to support what you characterise as a 'pond scum to humans' process. That you choose to ignore that evidence is your own problem and to your detriment.

 

[SteveB28]

it's even more irresponsible to teach children that their lives in fact only amount to pond scum. They are created in the image of God for a purpose.

Which god and where is your evidence for that claim?

 

[MikeEnders]

The Law of Love IS Communism. To be a Christian or not is the ONLY "choice". Once one IS a Christian, he or she MUST become a Communist. Jesus did not hold any possessions and everything He and His followers had was held in COMMON. (You will recall Him needing to ask SOMEONE ELSE to show Him a coin so that He could demonstrate that the Money System is of the earthly powers and NOT of God).

Like i said you would present. All you did was quote acts out of context. I am unimpressed. You are not the only here that spouts nonsense with no backing so I am not surprised. Jesus at no time commanded every single disciple to sell all that they had (for example he told the demoniac to go home not to sell all or even follow him). and as Peter told Ananias he was free to retain his land just not lie that he sold it.

Acts 5:4
"While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not under your control? Why is it that you have conceived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God."

See anywhere where Peter told him he had to have sold it? Giving in the church was always voluntary NOT a requirement that they had to do. Read the book before you make up false doctrines. Christianity equals communism is only a fact in your own mind. Its unbiblical.

 

[Belk]

"Yet there are many Christians who on prideful faith accept the idea that Genesis is the literal account of how Creation took place."

Let me stop you there. If taking seemingly impossible narratives literally is pride, why do you stop with Genesis? Do virgins give birth?

Nearly %1 per year in the US alone.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/17/us-usa-health-virgins-idUSBRE9BG1F020131217

Do the dead raise to life after 3 days?

Sometimes, yes.

http://listverse.com/2013/11/20/10-people-who-were-mistakenly-believed-to-be-dead/

Can objects having more density than water float on it?

Yup
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier

Don't all of these go against mainstream science.

Not really.

 

[JustHisKid]

We have a responsibility to our children to teach them as many things we can that are true, or are supported by evidence. Fantasy stories are also important, but we need to help them recognise the boundary between the real and the fantastic.

You have no right to demand other parents teach their children what you think they should teach them. "We" don't have a responsibility. YOU have a responsibility to teach your own children and keep your nose out of other parents' business. I think your idea of truth is utter baloney just like you think mine is. Isn't diversity great?

The enormous problem for those who fancy a biblical creationist view of the world is that they do not have a single skerrick of evidence, to support that view, whereas there are mountains of it to support what you characterise as a 'pond scum to humans' process. That you choose to ignore that evidence is your own problem and to your detriment.

Everything in existence is the evidence of a creator. I frankly don't care that you can't see it.

 

[Cearbhall]

Yes, people may evolve from pond scum, but it would be extremely irresponsible to teach children about that kind of magical hooey.

It would be if it weren't true.

Sounds like your school failed at teaching it.

 

[JustHisKid]

Which god and where is your evidence for that claim?

There is only one God.
What would suffice as evidence for you?

 

[JustHisKid]

It would be if it weren't true.

Thank God it isn't.

 

[Cearbhall]

Thank God it isn't.

I'm sorry no one ever explained it to you properly, but let's hope that a higher percentage of children receive a better science education in the next generation. This is why it's important for kids to learn about it.

I'm not trying to be condescending, so I apologize if it comes across that way, but you can't expect me to agree with the people who don't know anything about it instead of the overwhelming majority of scientists. Being ignorant of something does not make you an expert, much less put you ahead of the experts.

 

[JustHisKid]

I'm sorry no one ever explained it to you properly, but let's hope that a higher percentage of children receive a better science education in the next generation. This is why it's important for kids to learn about it.

Considering there is no evidence for macro-evolution, you are just teaching them lies.

I'm not trying to be condescending, so I apologize if it comes across that way, but you can't expect me to agree with the people who don't know anything about it instead of the overwhelming majority of scientists. Being ignorant of something does not make you an expert, much less put you ahead of the experts.

I don't care what you agree with or don't agree with. Macro-evolution is scientifically impossible. I'm sorry you haven't learned that yet.

 

[Cearbhall]

Considering there is no evidence for macro-evolution, you are just teaching them lies.

I don't care what you agree with or don't agree with. Macro-evolution is scientifically impossible. I'm sorry you haven't learned that yet.

Oh, so you're fine with micro? That's something, at least.

I don't care what you agree with or don't agree with. Macro-evolution is scientifically impossible. I'm sorry you haven't learned that yet.

Even if there weren't solid evidence of macroevolution, the fossil record supports the fact that new species have been popping up all throughout the history of the Earth. This requires an explanation. I don't see how you can turn to an idea like Genesis for answers and then call a plausible scientific theory "magical hooey."

 

[JustHisKid]

Oh, so you're fine with micro? That's something, at least.

We all adapt to our surroundings. This is easily observed. Species to species evolution is impossible. DNA cannot add to itself. I wish I could say the same for you.

 

[JustHisKid]

Oh, so you're fine with micro? That's something, at least.

Even if there weren't solid evidence of macroevolution, the fossil record supports the fact that new species have been popping up all throughout the history of the Earth.

The fossil record in fact supports creation, not evolution.

 

[Cearbhall]

The fossil record in fact supports creation, not evolution.

And "Creation" isn't magical hooey? I would never call it that, but it doesn't make sense for you to claim that it isn't if you're going to say that macroevolution is. What makes Creation more plausible than macroevolution? I realize that it's easy to give up and say "Well someone must have stepped in and poofed this into existence," and that's exactly what our ancestors said before they had the tools to investigate it, but why should I assume that?

 

[JustHisKid]

And "Creation" isn't magical hooey?

Well, everything got here somehow and evolutionists have no idea how it all started. Why not God? You have to admit, if you are intellectually honest, that it could be God. You just don't know.

What makes it more plausible than macroevolution?

Macro-evolution has been proven to be scientifically impossible.

I realize that it's easy to give up and say "Well someone must have stepped in and poofed this into existence," and that's exactly what our ancestors said before they had the tools to investigate it, but why should I assume that?

It seems like you are the one who has given up. DNA cannot add to itself. Macro evolution is impossible. There must be some other answer.

 

[Cearbhall]

We all adapt to our surroundings. This is easily observed. Species to species evolution is impossible.

Source?